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Old 10-03-2012, 08:37 AM   #101
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My last statement, beef.
You seem to think the people with the power (Employers), should have all the rights, but the people without the power (employees) deserve NO rights.

That is all.
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Old 10-03-2012, 08:38 AM   #102
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Civil Rights Act + Secular Constitution = No-one gives a **** if you're religious. If the gay guy is the best qualified man for the job give him it.
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Old 10-03-2012, 08:42 AM   #103
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The government shouldn't try and protect or provide the right to equal opportunity of employment because it is impossible to effectively provide or 'protect' -as some people are taller and stronger than others, some people are more intelligent, some people were born into better circumstance- at the expense of the right of private business owners to run their business according to their beliefs and desires." is a more succint expression of my thoughts.

I don't like the idea of governments meddling in private business on principal that it should remain private.
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Old 10-03-2012, 08:46 AM   #104
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Civil Rights Act + Secular Constitution = No-one gives a **** if you're religious. If the gay guy is the best qualified man for the job give him it.


If you owned a business that's how you would run it and you wouldn't want someone else telling you what to do now would you?

Monk I think workersshould have, and do have tons of rights. A few of workers rights are the right to quit, the right to start their own business... and tons more.
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Old 10-03-2012, 08:47 AM   #105
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The government shouldn't try and protect or provide the right to equal opportunity of employment because it is impossible to effectively provide or 'protect' -as some people are taller and stronger than others, some people are more intelligent, some people were born into better circumstance- at the expense of the right of private business owners to run their business according to their beliefs and desires." is a more succint expression of my thoughts.

I don't like the idea of governments meddling in private business on principal that it should remain private.



Equal opportunity means you have an equal chance as someone with the same qualifications as you, not that you have the same chance as someone who is more qualified. I think you're really missing the point here.
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If you owned a business that's how you would run it and you wouldn't want someone else telling you what to do now would you?



Protip: Businesses do not exist in a vacuum, they are part of society, and society has laws, most people don't seem to have a problem accepting this.
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Old 10-03-2012, 08:48 AM   #106
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So if a private business decides to put dangerous chemicals into its products it's none of the governments business.

If a business fires a man because he suffers a crippling injury that means he can no longer walk and they don't want to provide wheelchair access it's none of the governments business.

You deregulate business and everyone except the very wealthy are going to suffer for it. You can't have a perfect free market it's too dangerous and too many people can get hurt, you need a safety net and control. To live safely and civilized with the best possible freedom is better than for some people to have total freedom and the rest to starve.
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Old 10-03-2012, 08:49 AM   #107
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*sigh* we'll try again... one last time.

You CAN base a decision to employ someone, on their qualification to do the job. That's why people go to school, get an education, and strive for 'qualifications'. Likewise, you can choose not to employ someone if they are not able to carry out specific physical tasks that are an integral part of the job (i.e you are within your right not to employ a man paralysed from the neck down, if he is applying for a job operating complicated, heavy machinery).

You CAN'T base your decision not to employ someone on the fact that they're gay and, in your (moronic) opinion, gay people are sissies and can't do a manly job.


Or, basically, this:
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Equal opportunity means you have an equal chance as someone with the same qualifications as you, not that you have the same chance as someone who is more qualified. I think you're really missing the point here.
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Old 10-03-2012, 08:49 AM   #108
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Equal opportunity means you have an equal chance as someone with the same qualifications as you, not that you have the same chance as someone who is more qualified. I think you're really missing the point here.


I think employers should have the right o discriminate.

I've stated this several times.
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Old 10-03-2012, 08:50 AM   #109
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Thanks for your patience Goliath

but I'm still correct.
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Old 10-03-2012, 08:50 AM   #110
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I think employers should have the right o discriminate.

I've stated this several times.


and i think that employers should have the right to see their kneecaps smashed in for being morons. Seems fair.
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Old 10-03-2012, 08:51 AM   #111
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I think employers should have the right o discriminate.

I've stated this several times.


You have the right to think this. But that right doesn't make it less bigoted, narrowminded, backwards and primitive. And that's exactly why the government should try and protect the employees' rights. Because people like you indeed run companies and would act after their beliefs.

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but I'm still correct.


I think we can confirm a troll here.
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Old 10-03-2012, 08:54 AM   #112
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I think employers should have the right o discriminate.

I've stated this several times.


And have failed to back it up with any solid reasoning.
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So if a private business decides to put dangerous chemicals into its products it's none of the governments business.

If a business fires a man because he suffers a crippling injury that means he can no longer walk and they don't want to provide wheelchair access it's none of the governments business.

You deregulate business and everyone except the very wealthy are going to suffer for it. You can't have a perfect free market it's too dangerous and too many people can get hurt, you need a safety net and control. To live safely and civilized with the best possible freedom is better than for some people to have total freedom and the rest to starve.


1- That is illegal and rightly so.

2- In a free market eventually it would become customary for the worker to have negotiated, or in some other way prepared for such an outcome. But isn't that what is going on in North America right now? That the company or the workers union takes care of him?

3- I think where we are in history I don't think things would go back to the extreme wealthyness of the 1% of feudalism or other more recent examples of "unfairly" distributed wealth with names I am ignorant of.
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Old 10-03-2012, 08:56 AM   #114
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Right, this has gone on long enough - I need to go out now, so I guess we should tie this up...

For anyone wondering, there are several reasons for the following action and this thread has merely added to suspicions.
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Old 10-03-2012, 08:56 AM   #115
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You have the right to think this. But that right doesn't make it less bigoted, narrowminded, backwards and primitive. And that's exactly why the government should try and protect the employees' rights. Because people like you indeed run companies and would act after their beliefs.



I think we can confirm a troll here.


What good is the right to have beliefs but not act on beliefs within the law?

Maybe it's the illusion of a right?
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Old 10-03-2012, 08:57 AM   #116
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Even you might feel a little bit guilty for banning me because you lost an arguement or failed to bully me into silence Goliath?
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Old 10-03-2012, 08:58 AM   #117
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2- In a free market eventually it would become customary for the worker to have negotiated, or in some other way prepared for such an outcome. But isn't that what is going on in North America right now? That the company or the workers union takes care of him?


Except when we had an extremely free market that didn't happen, and in the current system, people are largely taken care of because it's legally mandated, or they are union, but union workers make up something like 13% of the total workforce, because of union busting tactics among other things.
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Old 10-03-2012, 09:01 AM   #119
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Old 10-03-2012, 09:03 AM   #120
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Thank you Goliath.

You have more patience than I do.
First post that moron made, I had a feeling it was gonna end with a banning.

I don't mind a good argument.
But when someone is just so fucked up and won't even consider another opinion, and is just totally wrong, its frustrating.
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