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Old 10-03-2012, 09:13 AM   #121
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I feel a real danger with public business being disguised as private business. It's probably more of a danger to the freedom of the western world-maybe the whole world- now than fascism, seeing as everyone is rightfully scared of that.

Do you at least hear what I'm saying?

I (and probably others) would be more likely to start a business if I thought I had the freedom to do what I wanted, and if I only had 5 people working for me, I'm gunna want to be able to get the best workers I can find and that might mean firing someone on short notice. Now you might say this is different from a huge corp but it's the principal of the matter to. I want to have freedom yadig? I even want racist and bigoted people to have their freedom.

This is only one example of freedom but this government encroaching on private business' freedom makes me teh sads.

What also alarms me is that this is what is the first step of the government controlling people for the sake of 'freedom'.

"You can't do this because it offends or inconviences someone!" This line of thinking doesn't make sense. If it your own business of course you can!

Private economy is going to leave some people out in the cold sometimes.

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The problem with this argument is that it isn't logically sound the way you've presented it; you are attacking a strawman. You are arguing that the government shouldn't deny private enterprises the possibility to hire the people best apt for the job - no-one is going against that (as long as it is practised within reason). The problem is discrimination based on race or sexuality does not pertain to this; a gay person will not be less capable of doing a job due to his quality of being gay - in the cases were this does not apply, no-one is going against it; nobody would rage if a black actor with superior skills was turned down on the role of Isaac Newton in favour of a white actor (or a gay man in a straight/lesbian porn). So when the government denies the discrimination, it does not diminish the employer's capacity of finding the best man for the job (it actually helps it ).

Another point that others have already touched upon, is that you ignore the employers obligations to his employees. The employer is driving a business, and wants it to be driven in the best way possible. The employees are fundamental in this; when they commit themselves to the job they also carry the obligation to do the work they've signed up for, since the employer have invested in them. The problem is that employees are invested in the employer as well; they've committed themselves to that particular job instead whatever opportunities they've had. As such, the employer also has obligations towards them.
Although the employees can be in a position to screw the employer over, most often it is the opposite that is the case - but you only want to protect the employer from getting screwed, despite the fact that they are usually the ones in power.

Edit: I should update the page more often before I start writing a post. I'm curious, what are your exact reasons for banning Oak? Although she(?) is probably a troll, that isn't really cause for a ban, otherwise Neo-evil would be long gone.
Oh, okay. Might I ask which particular user would post that thread? We should have a bet. I'm going with represent... Or actually, screw that. Which prominent users have been banned lately?

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Old 10-03-2012, 09:14 AM   #122
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Old 10-03-2012, 09:19 AM   #123
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Thank you Goliath.

You have more patience than I do.
First post that moron made, I had a feeling it was gonna end with a banning.

I don't mind a good argument.
But when someone is just so fucked up and won't even consider another opinion, and is just totally wrong, its frustrating.
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While I'm glad people approve of the decision, no mod is allowed to simply ban someone because they're an idiot - even trolling, if it is borderline between that and plain idiocy, would typically be a warning (aside from repeat offenders). But the user already had a warning dished out elsewhere today, and I've stalled leaving the flat to await a thread in FOTB that hasn't materialised, which suggests that certain suspicions leading to the banning are correct.

On the other hand, I appreciate the thanks
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Old 10-03-2012, 09:35 AM   #124
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While I'm glad people approve of the decision, no mod is allowed to simply ban someone because they're an idiot - even trolling, if it is borderline between that and plain idiocy, would typically be a warning (aside from repeat offenders). But the user already had a warning dished out elsewhere today, and I've stalled leaving the flat to await a thread in FOTB that hasn't materialised, which suggests that certain suspicions leading to the banning are correct.

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But when running or moderating 4 channels with up to 2000 users at a time, is a challenge. I spent countless hours writing scripts to automate stuff.
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Old 10-03-2012, 10:05 AM   #125
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Old 10-03-2012, 10:31 AM   #126
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Well shit, I'm not going to pay for employees eye care coverage either. I'll just higher people with 20/20 vision instead.
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Old 10-03-2012, 01:36 PM   #127
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lmao the last couple of pages



some of you handled it well, but others... good lord the rage

meanwhile someone said the headline contradicts the meat of the actual article, and we lost that in the trollfle shuffle. Care to re-post that, whoever you were?
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Old 10-03-2012, 02:20 PM   #128
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I don't understand how a woman can support a bill that ****s over other women and prevents them from contributing to society through having a job. What a cunt.
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Old 10-03-2012, 02:25 PM   #129
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Old 10-03-2012, 02:56 PM   #130
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Well shit, I'm not going to pay for employees eye care coverage either. I'll just higher people with 20/20 vision instead.

Of course, this is a perfectly reasonable thing to think as an employer. If you are being obliged to cover your employees healthcare costs then you'd be a fool to hire unhealthy people.

Frankly, it'd be good for America if employers started refusing to cover healthcare procedures, or healthcare in general.
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Old 10-03-2012, 03:02 PM   #131
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Of course, this is a perfectly reasonable thing to think as an employer. If you are being obliged to cover your employees healthcare costs then you'd be a fool to hire unhealthy people.

Frankly, it'd be good for America if employers started refusing to cover healthcare procedures, or healthcare in general.

The only reason it would be good is that it would put more pressure on the populace to support single payer ideas
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Old 10-03-2012, 03:05 PM   #132
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The only reason it would be good is that it would put more pressure on the populace to support single payer ideas

It would essentially force that. But even if people just ended up having to buy their own health insurance it would still be more economically efficient. The current system is one of the worst imaginable really.
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Old 10-03-2012, 03:27 PM   #133
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Old 10-03-2012, 03:35 PM   #134
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Old 10-03-2012, 03:43 PM   #135
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As a practicing catholic, what the **** Arizona.
Last thing I remembered, catholics didn't believe in the apotheosis of inanimate metal objects.
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Old 10-03-2012, 04:03 PM   #136
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Old 10-03-2012, 04:15 PM   #137
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Old 10-03-2012, 04:21 PM   #138
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As a practicing catholic, what the **** Arizona.

I didn't know any Catholics actually cared about any of that shit.

I know I don't know any who do.
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