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Old 10-03-2012, 10:04 AM   #21
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try it and see?

Here's a bunch of guys with small weiners big trucks that seem to suggest a little less... But one guy does say that the industry standard is a gallon per hour. I'm shocked its that much.

http://www.ford-trucks.com/forums/1...use-idling.html

^Jenny! You're the perfect person to ask this! Probably a good size V6 too?
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Old 10-03-2012, 10:07 AM   #22
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so funny, i was just about to say that the eye roll was annoying to see in the morning, but nope. that gif wins

i have to sit in an idling car, for hours, for work.

doesnt use that much gas, but the floorboard heat up
like crazy after a while, so always be mindful of where
it's parked when left running.


not garage. is bad.

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Here's a bunch of guys with small weiners big trucks that seem to suggest a little less... But one guy does say that the industry standard is a gallon per hour. I'm shocked its that much.

http://www.ford-trucks.com/forums/1...use-idling.html

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see edit!

also i'd think it would increase pretty significantly the longer you idle since all your stuffs is getting hot. that makes sense?
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Old 10-03-2012, 10:08 AM   #23
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Here's a bunch of guys with small weiners big trucks that seem to suggest a little less... But one guy does say that the industry standard is a gallon per hour. I'm shocked its that much.

http://www.ford-trucks.com/forums/1...use-idling.html

^Jenny! You're the perfect person to ask this! Probably a good size V6 too?



camaro / mustang package on large rear wheel v8s.

obvs you don't go through as much gas idling as driving for 8 hours.
less than 8 gallons per shift for sure.

^ohh and yes garage = bad
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Old 10-03-2012, 10:08 AM   #24
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A decent sized sealed lead acid battery you could get for about $50 will be 12V and 35Ah.

12V*35Ah = 1.512megajoules

1.5megajoules / 100 watts = 4.16 hours

so....even if you account the losses in the inverter, it's not to shabby. And 100w is the peak load, if its constantly amplifying a full blast square wave, the average use is probably under half that (still is quiet a lot because tube amps have heaters and such). The only way to get the exact energy use is to actualy measure it, try with one of thoe $10 energy meters the plug into the socket and measure how much energy it actually uses if you play for an hour.

Yes, you could use an inverter, but the more efficient solution would be to throw away the entire power section of the amp and make a DC->DC converter but you'd have to have the know how to design it.

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Old 10-03-2012, 10:09 AM   #25
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selj, youve always been such a smarty pants
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Old 10-03-2012, 10:11 AM   #26
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Ever since I saw this video I've been wanting to go camping and take my drum kit, a generator and some instruments. It would be awesome as hell to be in the middle of nowhere, in the middle of the night, and rocking with a full band.


That's how Kyuss started. Generator Parties. I really want to do one sometime.

OT: TS, you'll probably get about an hour no worries out of a battery, before you'd want to think about recharging it, which you can do by just running your car for a while. The other alternative is to buy a second car battery specifically for running your amp, and then when you've run that down, put that in your car for the drive home. Then the battery you drove up on will be charged for the next time, and carry on cycling like that. You can even hook both batteries up to the alternator so they'll both charge whilst driving, and you won't have to worry about drying up all the juice in your car battery to drive home on.

EDIT: Ninja'd with the maffs I couldn't be bothered doing. There's your answer.
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Old 10-03-2012, 10:12 AM   #27
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selj, youve always been such a smarty pants


University has gotta be useful for something


seriously, screw D cells and all that, those gel batteries a pretty cool for the price : capacity ratio
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Old 10-03-2012, 10:14 AM   #28
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i think the real problem is that even if all this gets set up you are gonna go all the way out to the middle no of nowhere crank your shit up and it's gonna be cool for like exactly 7 minutes.

and then you are gonna drive all the way home.
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^^^might be a lot less than an hour out of battery if running gear with the car off. ive seen cars click off after minutes of running extra lights.

probably not a good idea to test it without the backup battery mentioned.

and yep^

keep at it seljer!
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Old 10-03-2012, 10:26 AM   #30
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seems like 1 gallon per hour of idling is pretty standard/average. also will destroy your engine.

also my gas is 4.50 a gallon.

Ya that seems to be the 'rule of thumb' number.

That Ford forum addresses the engine issues also. Apparently you just want to drive it hard after idling to pull oil back into all the right places. For an hour jam session I doubt that'd be an issue, but you can always just drive like a maniac on the way home.

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camaro / mustang package on large rear wheel v8s.

obvs you don't go through as much gas idling as driving for 8 hours.
less than 8 gallons per shift for sure.

^ohh and yes garage = bad

Damn, that thing is probably using some juice too... So if you aren't using eight gallons in eight hours then there's no way my little V6 is using a gallon an hour at idle... In theory anyway.

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i think the real problem is that even if all this gets set up you are gonna go all the way out to the middle no of nowhere crank your shit up and it's gonna be cool for like exactly 7 minutes.

and then you are gonna drive all the way home.

I dunno man... I can sit in nature for hours not doing anything... Sitting with my amp at full blast would probably be awesome. Not much chance of seeing wildlife though.

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probably not a good idea to test it without the backup battery mentioned.



That jam session just turned into a campout!
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Old 10-03-2012, 11:11 AM   #31
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Oh I was definitely not thinking of using the car's battery! If I were to do this it'd be with one bought specifically for it.

Leaving the car on would be a bit expensive. This is a gas-guzzling 4WD we're talking about. And if I'm going to be turning fuel to power, I may as well use a generator! It'll end up cheaper in the long run if I do this often, and hopefully it'll be enjoyable enough that I want to.

I know the one I'll get for the price I'll end up paying will probably be pretty noisy, but oh well, I'll just try and put as much distance between the amp and the generator as practicable.

Another upside is that if my bassist friend ever gets off his arse and gets a bass and amp instead of only playing when he's at my house, then he can join me and there should be enough power for us both.

Also, thanks for the clarification about 100W being the peak load, that's exactly what I want to know.

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^ok well yamaha makes a super light weight, super quiet generator, might be worth a look.
just tossing out there.
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^ok well yamaha makes a super light weight, super quiet generator, might be worth a look.
just tossing out there.


The cheapest yamaha one I can see is $500 and the rest seem nearer $1k, way out of my price range!
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ahh, ok. maybe you can save up and upgrade eventually.

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Old 10-03-2012, 12:17 PM   #35
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Check ebay. Search for "inverter generator." There are any number of cheap gennies that will do the deed.
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Yeah I've found a couple for not much more than $100 that should do the job, might get slightly better depending on my how much disposable income I'm getting.

Thanks for the help everyone!
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You aren't going to be using it all the time so you should be able to get away with something relatively cheap.
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My son uses a 300w inverter plugged into his truck cigarette lighter jack to play when he goes to the lake and it's never been a problem.

Guitar amps don't use very much power. A 50w combo uses around 200w of electricity at MAX volume.

A medium duty (650 CCA) automotive battery will have about a 95 minute reserve capacity, which means it will maintain a useful voltage under a 25 amp draw for 95 minutes.

A 300w inverter under the amplifier load above draws about...25 amps...

Play for an hour, run your vehicle for 20 minutes, repeat as necessary.
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Play for an hour, run your vehicle for 20 minutes, repeat as necessary.


And bring some jumper cables with you, just in case
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And bring some jumper cables with you, just in case


I always do...cheap insurance!
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