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 We could cut our defense budget in half and still be ahead by quite a bit. How that money could be used 
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10-23-2012, 11:43 AM
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That's in Billions, and that's just in one year.
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10-23-2012, 12:33 PM
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People not caring doesn't make it an unimportant issue. I think it's potentially the most important long term issue. Not just for this country, for our species.
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10-23-2012, 12:38 PM
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Actually for all practical purposes, yes it does. 'Importance' is an assigned value, not an inherent one. You would be wrong. Energy is the most important long term issue. Given enough cheap energy we can clean up almost any level of pollution/environmental damage.
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10-23-2012, 12:41 PM
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What is this I don't even... I have no idea what this is supposed to mean in the real world. If we keep the price of oil down it means we can clean up all the damage it does? |
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10-23-2012, 12:43 PM
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That's part of the environmental issue. Ending our dependence on fossil fuels that are ****ing up the planet in potentially irreversible ways.
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10-23-2012, 12:45 PM
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No, that's not what it means. Surely you don't think that fossil fuels are the 'wave of the future'? C'mon, you're smarter than this...
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10-23-2012, 12:48 PM
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10-23-2012, 12:59 PM
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This is our issue, not the planet's. It's arrogant of us to believe we can **** up the planet to no return. We might die off from our consequences, but the planet will remain and undo the shit we've done to it in the long haul.
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10-23-2012, 01:08 PM
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You make it sound like we won't kill off thousands of other species in the process. |
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10-23-2012, 01:11 PM
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Scientists say otherwise and their opinion's really the only one I care about on this.
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10-23-2012, 01:14 PM
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I'm not quoting anyone, I was using them to set off the premise, but your point is taken. Energy is the real concern, not pollution, since given enough cheap energy we can fix pretty much any level of pollution. Thus the key to the environment isn't to pollute less (although I support that insofar as practical) since all that does is delay the inevitable, it's to find alternative sources of cheap energy, some of which already exist but are irrationally despised by the same folks that bemoan the pollution concerns.
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well then how about looking at the scientists who agree with what I said? What you said like plain regurgitation. Quote:
You make it sound like they wouldn't go extinct without us anyway.  Over 90% of the species that have lived on this planet have gone extinct.
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10-23-2012, 01:16 PM
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10-23-2012, 01:19 PM
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The vast majority agree with what I said. The tiny fraction who'd deny global warming are the same ones who collect paychecks from oil companies in whose financial interest it is to deny it. Hmm, I wonder if there's a correlation there.
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10-23-2012, 01:21 PM
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lol nah. The reasoning is based more on political bias than anything. While there are probably people who do what you are describing, I sincerely doubt it's in the majority. Like, Fox News doesn't like Romney and push for Romney because Obama's black, they do it because they are overly sympathetic to conservative causes. It's a partisan issue waaaay more than a race one. I get painted as a conservative around here because I have to defend people from ridiculous claims like this. Republicans like Romney because he's a Republican so they will always try and paint Obama in a bad light. They did the same thing to Biden. But it's because he's old and Paul Ryan's young, right? |
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10-23-2012, 01:21 PM
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This is what I'm not understanding in terms of what it means in reality. And I still really don't get it. I understand what you mean, but not how it would work in the real world. Quote:
Are we talking about Nuclear here? I can't stand people who are vehemently anti-Nuclear energy. Anyhow, the way out of the energy crisis is to perfect Nuclear Fusion. This much should be painfully obvious to everyone. We've already done it on a small scale, we now need to invest heavily in it until we can use it globally. It's energy on a whole 'nother scale to every alternative, and I think it's reasonable to assume that it could be done fairly cheaply whilst outdating every other form of energy production. |
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10-23-2012, 01:22 PM
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Deny global warming? Come on man, putting words in my mouth? I said that this planet will recover long after we've gone extinct. You can go ahead and get all hippie claiming we need to save the planet, but the truth is that the planet doesn't need any saving. We do. I'd appreciate it if the next time you were to reply, you didn't pull words out of your ass and claim I said them 
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