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Old 10-23-2012, 02:13 PM   #2081
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Actually no, fission will accomplish that, we just need different reactors.

What type of reactors are we talking about?

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And Solar Power Satellites are possible today as well (technically if not politically).
Really? Sounds mighty cool, will read up on them. But I can only imagine the shit storm that would brew about who gets where in space and national security risks and what not.

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Fusion would be nice, but it isn't necessary.

I think eventually it will be. Or will at least be a lot more practical than what we're doing now.

I mean after all, ITER's project aims to get 10x as much energy out as you put in and there's no reason why this couldn't be a reality if the several countries funding it now would really go all in on it.

Coming back to something you said earlier Arby. I don't see how we could possibly fund research purely on results. Unless it's literally them having to hand in their results

How do we propose scientists first start new projects into expensive areas like nuclear energy or particle physics? Leaving the state of your scientific research up to private companies seems kind of at odds with them being able to research efficiently.

EDIT: Just read up on Solar Power Satellites. Seem very very cool, but almost completely incompatible with the modern world.
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Old 10-23-2012, 02:17 PM   #2082
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It amazes me how appalled some of the Americans ITT were at Paddy's defense spending graph. What, did you think the "more than the next ten spenders combined" thing was a joke?

That's the standard reaction. It's a pretty hard to comprehend amount of cash when you think about it.
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Old 10-23-2012, 02:24 PM   #2083
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What type of reactors are we talking about?



Fast Breeders in combination with seawater uranium extraction. Granted it's not a 'forever' solution either, but at 5 Billion years or until the sun goes out, I think I can live with that...
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Old 10-23-2012, 02:37 PM   #2084
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So, to talks about something different, do you guys reckon that if Romney ends up winning he would act as the mild governor Romney or as the steak-eating, red-blooded Mittens he would like the republican party to see him as?
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Old 10-23-2012, 02:51 PM   #2085
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So, to talks about something different, do you guys reckon that if Romney ends up winning he would act as the mild governor Romney or as the steak-eating, red-blooded Mittens he would like the republican party to see him as?



I'm betting that his past performance and history will make him significantly more moderate than he's been able to show.
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Old 10-23-2012, 04:00 PM   #2086
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I'm betting that his past performance and history will make him significantly more moderate than he's been able to show.


I disagree, I think he's come to a more moderate position now than what he's naturally at to try and win the election.
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Old 10-23-2012, 04:02 PM   #2087
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I disagree, I think he's come to a more moderate position now than what he's naturally at to try and win the election.


His time as Governor of Mass. shows that to likely be false.

Now granted it's possible that he was a moderate Governor in spite of his fascist tendencies, but it's a bit far fetched.
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Old 10-23-2012, 04:19 PM   #2088
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So, to talks about something different, do you guys reckon that if Romney ends up winning he would act as the mild governor Romney or as the steak-eating, red-blooded Mittens he would like the republican party to see him as?

He'll be a rubber stamp for whatever the Republican controlled House (and possibly Senate) wants.
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Old 10-23-2012, 04:20 PM   #2089
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So, to talks about something different, do you guys reckon that if Romney ends up winning he would act as the mild governor Romney or as the steak-eating, red-blooded Mittens he would like the republican party to see him as?

He'd be in bed with the far right. If you notice he did not take any of his usual neoconservative stances on foreign policy last night. Indeed he took positions neocons derided when held by Obama. But if you tune into your favorite neoconservative pundit, they don't give a shit because they know Mitt's positions last night were only a ruse.
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Old 10-23-2012, 04:59 PM   #2090
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He'll be a rubber stamp for whatever the Republican controlled House (and possibly Senate) wants.


Highly unlikely the Senate will be Republican. Democrats are actually looking at gaining seats.

But yeah, House will be Republican, although the Dems look to be picking up a few seats there too. If they do exceedingly well it will be about 50/50

Of course it's unlikely Romney will win right now anyway. His small lead in a few national polls doesn't fix the fact that he's behind in most of the states he needs to win.

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Old 10-23-2012, 05:02 PM   #2091
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I think Mitt Romney is such a jellyfish that there's no way to tell who he would emulate while in office.
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Old 10-23-2012, 05:08 PM   #2092
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I think Mitt Romney is such a jellyfish that there's no way to tell who he would emulate while in office.

I think he's more of a blowfish.
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Old 10-23-2012, 05:10 PM   #2093
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I think he's more of a blowfish.

I might lean towards a goldfish.
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Old 10-23-2012, 05:14 PM   #2094
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...Was there any meaningful point to that then? Was it just, "It ain't da planet, it our speshiez"? I think most people who are for green energy understand that and they don't really mean the actual planet.



Was there any meaningful point to you replying to this? You do see the hypocrisy right?

I for one, don't give people the benefit of the doubt anymore, if you mean something go ahead and say what you mean, don't assume that others will "understand that". I've talked to many over this and the truth of the matter is that not everyone gets that the planet will be okay in the long haul. When you hear people crying over the polar ice caps and not our depleting reserve of freshwater, it puts things in perspective.

Another point would be, why talk about it altruistically? I'm sure people would react more vigorously if you were blunt and said that it's OUR well-being that's at stake and not the planet's. No one gives a shit about plastic in the sea, at least not as much as telling them that they have 50-100 years of the good life at most left before we reach the carrying capacity of this planet.

You're giving the people of this world way too much credit, if we were as intelligent as you hoped, half of our troubles wouldn't exist.
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Old 10-23-2012, 05:31 PM   #2095
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This is our issue, not the planet's. It's arrogant of us to believe we can **** up the planet to no return. We might die off from our consequences, but the planet will remain and undo the shit we've done to it in the long haul.


How do you expect that to happen? The planet doesn't exactly heal itself like Wolverine.
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Old 10-23-2012, 05:44 PM   #2096
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How do you expect that to happen? The planet doesn't exactly heal itself like Wolverine.



I know, Wolverine heals himself instantly

Seeing how nearly every substance on earth will eventually decompose, it's safe to say that our impact on this planet will be nonexistant, after x amount of years.
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Old 10-23-2012, 06:13 PM   #2097
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I know, Wolverine heals himself instantly

Seeing how nearly every substance on earth will eventually decompose, it's safe to say that our impact on this planet will be nonexistant, after x amount of years.


...that was the joke.

Not really, i don't see how everything decomposing translates to fixing the ozone layer or melting ice caps or whatever else it is that most environmentalists bitch about. Care to explain how?
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Old 10-23-2012, 06:26 PM   #2099
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...that was the joke.

Not really, i don't see how everything decomposing translates to fixing the ozone layer or melting ice caps or whatever else it is that most environmentalists bitch about. Care to explain how?



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When they spoke about Lybia, were they talking about Lybia Majora or Lybia Minora?
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