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Old 10-04-2012, 05:02 PM   #61
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That's lol worthy. We all know they most likely have all the fuel ready to go, as they have for a while now. It's fairly obvious once you do the research. Now the real question is if we have intelligence agencies who know about it. That's the real wonder. Because it would be awfully smart for, let's say the CIA, to know that Iran has nuclear weapons (or basically have the cannon fodder with the barrel and ball sitting together waiting for action) and let Iran essentially commit suicide by using said nuclear weapon(s).

Think of it, if Iran uses a nuke, they kill however many millions (nukes usually have an effective blast radius of an average city) and then they face the wrath of a massive global shitstorm until there is total eradication and annihilation of Iran. It would be much more than a perfectly golden excuse to invade/bomb the living and dead shit out of them if they were to use a nuke. I'm seriously betting they already got a few nukes lined up just for shits or mainly in spite of other countries like Russia and the U.S. who have had them stockpiled starting from the 50s and 60s. But it's a much different scenario if they are currently producing them as we speak, which I think most people would agree, is almost certain. The doubt can be only be eliminated once we see the actual donkey dick missiles poking out of the silos. And usually by that time it's a little late.

I think there's two options possibly at play here:

The current viewpoint: We have all this info and intel that points to them producing unnecessarily high purities and amounts of uranium fit for weapons, not to mention the production process is massively huge compared to what's needed for power generation and also not to mention it's bizarrely different than what you would expect for the purpose of power generation.

The other option: The first viewpoint remains, EXCEPT you (being the CIA and all) have confirmation, with 100% certainty, that weapons are being produced, or that detonation cores are being built/designed or missile parts are being manufactured (etc...) and you let them use it so they can invoke endless amounts of revenge on themselves from opposing countries. It's the perfect excuse. They bomb Turkey, they try to bomb Israel, they try and launch one at the states (which would end up getting shot out of the sky right over their heads) or whatever country they believe is all evil to them or zionist and whatnot, and they give literally anyone and everyone the golden opportunity to turn that place into the Moon's surface.


The whole idea that Iran would just start nuking other states is so batshit ******ed I don't even know how to respond to people dumb enough to believe that idiocy.
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Old 10-04-2012, 05:28 PM   #62
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Old 10-04-2012, 05:41 PM   #63
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I think the whole Iran getting nukes thing isnt about Iran wanting to nuke anyone, rather just a deterrent. That way, they can turn up the heat on Israel and fund revolutionaries/terrorists in an attempt to shape the region as it sees fit without any significant backlash.
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Old 10-04-2012, 05:42 PM   #64
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Oh man I think I'm going to go and read some IR literature to cleanse this thread from my brain.
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Old 10-04-2012, 06:44 PM   #65
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Oh man I think I'm going to go and read some IR literature to cleanse this thread from my brain.


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Old 10-04-2012, 06:52 PM   #66
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The whole idea that Iran would just start nuking other states is so batshit ******ed I don't even know how to respond to people dumb enough to believe that idiocy.

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Old 10-04-2012, 06:52 PM   #67
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Well, this thread has taught me two things...

1) The Syrian situation is getting even closer to war.

2) There is a surprising number of people on here who have no idea what is going on in the world... it's as though some people haven't looked at a newspaper or caught 5mins of the news for the last 18 months or so.
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Old 10-04-2012, 06:55 PM   #68
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Vaguely. Not really sure, I like the idea of being something else, but end up just going "that's how the system works bro". Are you an IR student per se? I see you posting well-informedly on too many topics to pin you down
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Old 10-04-2012, 07:14 PM   #69
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Excuse my ignorance (or don't) but it' s been a while since I've been following what' s happening over there but wasn't the whole conflict to kick out a dictator or something, I though that was already done, why is the conflict still going on? Or am I mixing my information, because I remember that the whole conflict started about the same time that the Libya problem started.

And in that note, is there a place where I can read all that has happened or something?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Syrian_civil_war
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It really is worrying how ignorant people are about... everything, really.
If there's one thing I've learned from this thread, it's UG isn't nearly as aware of what's going on in the world as I thought they were.
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Old 10-04-2012, 08:12 PM   #71
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It really is worrying how ignorant people are about... everything, really.

what are you talking about? i can't find Syria on a map, but i KNOW that nuking it would be nothing but beneficial to the world.
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Old 10-04-2012, 08:16 PM   #72
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It's the same everywhere man. In developed cultures like ours society is kept stable and docile through distraction, and by sending the fit, disenfranchised young men overseas at war. It's a large part of why America is so belligerent, showbiz, commercialisation and sport mad. Capitalism is maintained by the false promise of hope so TV showers us with success stories which give us aspirations of matching them - maybe one day if we work hard our son could be the NFL quarterback that nails the 4th quarter Hail Mary, or we can be the next John Dyson or Jim Marshall. Whether it's intentional or not society has tends to breed a class of people we're told to aspire to be and we're saturated with imagery which glorifies it.

Either that or I've been reading too much Chomsky.


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Old 10-04-2012, 08:22 PM   #73
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You're a fucking moron who offers very little to the world, if you genuinely believe that.

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Old 10-04-2012, 08:22 PM   #74
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Vaguely. Not really sure, I like the idea of being something else, but end up just going "that's how the system works bro". Are you an IR student per se? I see you posting well-informedly on too many topics to pin you down


I have a variety of interests, but I'm kind of in an IR tract right now. I was supposed to do IR and IPE but the guy who runs the IPE stuff got promoted so he isn't teaching anything right now :/
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It really is worrying how ignorant people are about... everything, really.

The really scary part is they vote.
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Old 10-04-2012, 11:19 PM   #76
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The whole idea that Iran would just start nuking other states is so batshit ******ed I don't even know how to respond to people dumb enough to believe that idiocy.

What the **** else would they do with them? I mean, the only reason why major powers like U.S. and Russia have shit tons of nukes is because they mass produced them during the cold war, and now they kind of have no choice but to keep them, considering that nuclear waste disposal is extremely costly, not to mention time consuming (thousands of years) and even still dangerous.

Now the subject of actually making nuclear weapons in today's current time changes the situation completely. Which is why this whole Iran thing is becoming kind of a big deal.
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What the **** else would they do with them?

What does everyone else do with theirs?
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Old 10-04-2012, 11:26 PM   #78
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What does everyone else do with theirs?

They keep them away from basically everyone, but mostly they don't produce new ones. All these nukes were made in a time where WWIII was imminent every single day, and where the opposing enemies had over-inflated heads and actually though hundreds of nukes would be useful even though MAD is inevitable either way.

Those who have those nukes have to live with their past, unfortunately, but rightfully so, it's up to them to take care of their dirty laundry. The fact that Iran is almost certainly making nukes is just a bitch slap to everything all of us (all of the people who were involved in large wars, such as WWII and the cold war) have had to learn. Or maybe at least for those who did maybe learn something, regardless if fistycuffs were dealt or not.
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Old 10-04-2012, 11:36 PM   #79
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They keep them away from basically everyone, but mostly they don't produce new ones. All these nukes were made in a time where WWIII was imminent every single day

Actually the newest member of the 'nuclear club,' Pakistan first showcased their nukes in the 90s.

And Iran is still in the middle of a very conflict-ridden region so I don't know what the Cold War being over for us has to do with their defense policy.
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Actually the newest member of the 'nuclear club,' Pakistan first showcased their nukes in the 90s.

And Iran is still in the middle of a very conflict-ridden region so I don't know what the Cold War being over for us has to do with their defense policy.

Well they probably don't give a shit about the whole cold war thing, but it would be wise for them to understand that because of the cold war, one thing we learned (especially after, when all the secrets spilled) is that we could have seriously ****ed up our earth in a very short amount of time. So much so that we could have most likely eradicated the human race with the combined amount of braun held by both sides. To be honest though, I wouldn't expect them to go as far as analyzing something like that.

Maybe they could have kept this to a warm level and later things would have cooled off (a.k.a. Pakistan, yes your point is true, however I'm sure they love not having the finger pointed at them because they may have handled things differently), but Mahmoud I'm-a-dinner-jacket has to go around shitting on everyone's doorstep by saying shit like how he hates anyone who doesn't support him, or how he wants to have the world transformed into a single all-Muslim union of sorts, or how he wants to eradicate the Zionists and wipe Israel off the map.

Like shit man, you could've shut your ****in' mouth and made your nukes in silence, and at least have your chance at successfully launching them. But no, instead you use your primitive ****ing 400 year old religious mentality to act like an ape and now you asked everyone to pull your finger and we're all watching you like hawks waiting for you to commit suicide by provoking us. Fine by us, too bad for you though.
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