Iplayaguitar15

Alright i play at any where from double to triple the tv volume.

Iplayaguitar15

another comparison if its helps, if i put my ipod touch max volume with apple earbuds the guitar fits in perfect with the mix and my amp is about 13 feet away

Arby911

I don't think you understand 'TV volume', lightweight.

It means the volume I need to play at to ensure that no one in the house can hear the TV...

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again.....like I said

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Iplayaguitar15

im going to guitar center this weekend to try both out. meanwhile what are the advantages and disadvantages of the 6505+ combo vs the vypyr tube

Offworld92

Pros:

6505+, being all tube, will cut through a live mix better. It'll give you more tube saturation when turned up, basically just sound sweeter, more harmonics and shit.

Vypyr Tube very consistent tonally at all volumes, as has been mentioned, sounds amazing at whisper volumes, headphone jack. Usable for any sort of sound/genre you can think of.



Cons:

6505+ sounds crap at whisper volumes. No dynamics, lifeless, etc.. Pretty much a one trick pony.

Vypyr Tube every once in a blue moon will freeze/glitch out, takes anywhere from a few seconds to a few hours to fix itself. FWIW, Mine has only done this once, and I've had it for over a year now.

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HUMANIZER

This isn't 1968. Use the volume knob.

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Iplayaguitar15

What exactly is Whisper volumes?

Ultima117

Definition of whisper volumes:

Whisper- to speak softly with little or no vibration of the vocal cords especially not to be overheard.
Volume- the amplitude or loudness of a sound.

Put the two together and that is exactly what whisper volumes is (:

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Iplayaguitar15

Well , then i play well above whisper volumes lol so i should be fine with a 6505+

Mr E Meat

play a 6505 at a store

put post on 2. if you can play that loud or louder you will have fun.

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Iplayaguitar15

Alright i will im going tomorow. Are their any other amps i can get for around 300 used that i should try?

Offworld92

Although I do think the Vypyr is a much better amp, I'm not (consciously) trying to push you one way or the other. I'm just trying to make you aware of the differences. And it is extremely good that you're going to play both.

So with that in mind, let me add - the 6505 sounds crap at talking volumes too, not just whisper. It can be used at those volumes, but it really does not sound the way it "should" at those volumes. Shouting ( ) volumes is where it starts to sound right. And that's pretty loud.

In any case, do check them out. Just realize that it's going to be different in GC, since the volume level in the store will be much higher than it is at home. So take that into consideration.

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Ultima117

Its true. Post volume 2 is where they start open up and its really, really loud (: below this volume they don't sound like the bands you hear play them.

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Iplayaguitar15

Im going to keep all this in mind. As of right now im really leaning towards the vypyr cause im not going to be gigging for a while and ill have a lot of versatility and a lot of other distortion sounds. thanks for all the help

Iplayaguitar15

can i get this sound with the vypyr tube? im going to be putting a WGS Veteran 30 in it when i can

Offworld92

Yup.

Also another thing to point out, 'cause the Vypyr has an analog SS preamp, it has ridiculously awesome clarity.

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Peavey | 6505 | MS412 |
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Guitarbaddie

All this talk about whisper and talking volumes is making my head hurt (heh)

IMHO, if you can't play the 6505 with the post at 3 or higher, then it sounds bad.

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NotTheMessiah30

^ I disagree. While it is true that the 6505 doesn't sound very good at low volumes you don't quite need to push it to 3 for it to start waking up. Plus 3 is also very loud, although I am talking about the 6505+ 120Watt head not the combo so perhaps that's a different story.

Either way though I do agree with the general consensus that the 6505 doesn't sound good at bedroom volumes, on the other hand though put it in a band situation and it really comes to life and sounds just awesome. The lead channel has excellent distortion and a great dynamic range, with harmonics really shining through.

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Iplayaguitar15

I went and tryed both amps today at guitar center and i LOVED the vypyr tube i couldnt stop playing it. at low volumes the 6505 sounded very thin to me i did not like it all so im going to be getting the vypyr combo thanks everybody