Go Back   UG Community @ Ultimate-Guitar.Com > Music > Musician Talk
User Name  
Password
Search:

Reply
Old 10-06-2012, 09:22 AM   #1
macashmack
Maskcashmack
 
macashmack's Avatar
 
Join Date: May 2011
Location: New York, NY
How long do you think it would take the average musician to get the "perfect ear"

Like, if they hear a song, they can instantly hear what everything is in the song - chord progression, base, melody, counterpoint (if any) etc. Outside of key, of course.
I would imagine with good practice an hour a day of whatever regimen, it could take about 5 years. I might be completely off, but i want to hear some of your guys' opinions on this.
macashmack is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 10-06-2012, 09:35 AM   #2
metalmetalhead
Panterica
 
metalmetalhead's Avatar
 
Join Date: May 2007
Location: tn
A lifetime.
__________________
Its all fun and games till someone has to take a drug test

check out my youtube

http://www.youtube.com/user/stevenebowen
metalmetalhead is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 10-06-2012, 10:19 AM   #3
guy_tebache
is not a duck
 
guy_tebache's Avatar
 
Join Date: Oct 2007
Location: Australia
depends on the person, but I've seen an 17 year old do it. Including key.
__________________
Links for free EP coming soon...
guy_tebache is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 10-06-2012, 10:36 AM   #4
z4twenny
UG's resident Psychopath
 
z4twenny's Avatar
 
Join Date: Nov 2005
Location: there ain't no doubt in my mind, i'm gonna stomp all over your test of time.
I've noticed its cumulative over time. I know at the 5 year mark I could pick apart most radio tunes and I practiced 2-3 hours a day, every day. That being said I started off incredibly tone deaf and I have trouble believing it gets any worse than where I started so I'm sure most people wouldn't require that much practice.
__________________
41 songs in my profile, click "view all mp3's" all sorts of variety
Check out my new Industrial side project Penis Christ
http://artists.ultimate-guitar.com/penischrist/
Cover of the NIN classic Head like a hole.
z4twenny is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 10-06-2012, 10:51 AM   #5
AmalgamOfMeat
Naw
 
AmalgamOfMeat's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jan 2012
I started getting into music theory like 2 years ago. I've practiced very little actual ear training and I'd say I'm about halfway there, so 5 years sounds about right. In my case anyway.
AmalgamOfMeat is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 10-06-2012, 10:57 AM   #6
killerkev321
Registered User
 
Join Date: Jan 2009
It also depends on what songs you plan on listening too. The radio stuff won't take you very long to figure out. But some modern classical music and avante garde stuff would be nearly impossible to interpret.
killerkev321 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 10-06-2012, 11:59 AM   #7
Jacques-Henri
Registered User
 
Jacques-Henri's Avatar
 
Join Date: Aug 2012
Quote:
Originally Posted by killerkev321
But some modern classical music and avante garde stuff would be nearly impossible to interpret.


That kind of surrealist stuff is hardly 'music'.
Jacques-Henri is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 10-06-2012, 12:31 PM   #8
HotspurJr
Registered User
 
Join Date: Jul 2011
But it does depend. Simple diatonic stuff is pretty easy, major and minor chords are pretty easy. Inversions, chromatic notes, peculiar extensions ... those things are a lot harder.

And obviously the speed with which something is played makes a difference, and the context in which you hear it (distortion, loud drums, weird harmonies from other instruments).

Ultimately I have no idea. I feel like I've made tremendous progress with my ear in the last two years, but I also feel like I have a long way to go to really be able to hear all of that stuff accurately at speed.

I suspect it's like a lot of things - you're always aware of the stuff that's just beyond your reach, and there's always another rung onthe ladder.
HotspurJr is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 10-06-2012, 12:41 PM   #9
food1010
Bassist
 
food1010's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jun 2007
Yeah I think 5 years is pretty fair if you put in the work.

That said, it's a lifelong process, so it's hard to come up with a definitive time when you "have it figured out." There's always more that your ear can pick up on. You might be able to pick out basic chord progressions after a couple years, maybe a basic simple diatonic melodies just after that, but to really hear complex changes and melodies with larger/chromatic intervals, that could take many years of training.

This is all based on my experience though. It could take much longer for some people, and it could take as little as 5 years for someone to have a ridiculous aural mastery of melody, harmony and counterpoint to the extent that they could hear almost any piece of music and notate it perfectly simply by ear. I imagine this is the huge outlier though.
__________________
Only play what you hear. If you donít hear anything, donít play anything.
-Chick Corea
food1010 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 10-06-2012, 02:37 PM   #10
HotspurJr
Registered User
 
Join Date: Jul 2011
Also, of course, age makes a huge difference.

It's much faster to learn almost anything related to language (and music is a language) when you're younger. In fact, a lot of kids won't have to do the training work we adults have to do - they'll pick it up just from exposure.
HotspurJr is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 10-06-2012, 04:08 PM   #11
jazz_rock_feel
Micropolyphoner
 
jazz_rock_feel's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jun 2006
Location: Winnipeg, Canada
It also depends on how quickly they pick up the functional ear trainer from miles.be

One day I should check that out to see if it's actually any good.
__________________
I don't know what music theory is.


Soundcloud. Look at it. Or don't.
jazz_rock_feel is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 10-06-2012, 04:12 PM   #12
mdc
UG's Mr Chord Man
 
mdc's Avatar
 
Join Date: Feb 2008
Quote:
Originally Posted by jazz_rock_feel
One day I should check that out to see if it's actually any good.



You are on fire today, mate. I swear.

Edit: ...and ditto.

Last edited by mdc : 10-06-2012 at 04:13 PM.
mdc is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 10-06-2012, 04:34 PM   #13
jazz_rock_feel
Micropolyphoner
 
jazz_rock_feel's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jun 2006
Location: Winnipeg, Canada
Quote:
Originally Posted by mdc


You are on fire today, mate. I swear.



I feel like I'm just up to my usual annoying crap, but nice to be appreciated
__________________
I don't know what music theory is.


Soundcloud. Look at it. Or don't.
jazz_rock_feel is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 10-06-2012, 11:02 PM   #14
Hail
kill both bass players
 
Hail's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jan 2010
Location: Dallas
you'll be a better musician if you spend that time doing speed exercises on all the modes
Hail is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 10-06-2012, 11:04 PM   #15
macashmack
Maskcashmack
 
macashmack's Avatar
 
Join Date: May 2011
Location: New York, NY
Quote:
Originally Posted by Hail
you'll be a better musician if you spend that time doing speed exercises on all the modes


macashmack is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 10-06-2012, 11:07 PM   #16
AlanHB
Godin's Resident Groupie
 
AlanHB's Avatar
 
Join Date: Aug 2008
Location: Canberra, Australia
Sure why not. In the meantime get off the computer and back to the guitar if you want to improve.
__________________
And no, Guitar Hero will not help. Even on expert. Really.
AlanHB is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 10-06-2012, 11:10 PM   #17
macashmack
Maskcashmack
 
macashmack's Avatar
 
Join Date: May 2011
Location: New York, NY
Quote:
Originally Posted by AlanHB
Sure why not. In the meantime get off the computer and back to the guitar if you want to improve.


lol. Yea i've been making a lot of threads recently. I'll just get out of here for a while
macashmack is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 10-06-2012, 11:10 PM   #18
Hail
kill both bass players
 
Hail's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jan 2010
Location: Dallas
Quote:
Originally Posted by Jacques-Henri
That kind of surrealist stuff is hardly 'music'.




start making witch house and microtonal music in your bedroom to spite this misguided misguy macash

sell your guitar and amp and get ableton/FL, an sm58, and a pawn-shop keyboard for midi and put your dreams out on your sleeve
Hail is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 10-07-2012, 04:04 PM   #19
macashmack
Maskcashmack
 
macashmack's Avatar
 
Join Date: May 2011
Location: New York, NY
Quote:
Originally Posted by Hail


start making witch house and microtonal music in your bedroom to spite this misguided misguy macash

sell your guitar and amp and get ableton/FL, an sm58, and a pawn-shop keyboard for midi and put your dreams out on your sleeve


I'm on it
macashmack is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 10-07-2012, 06:59 PM   #20
King Of Suede
UG's Unicycling Bassist
 
King Of Suede's Avatar
 
Join Date: Mar 2007
Location: Hatboro, PA
They say you're not a master of something until you do it for 10,000 hours.
__________________
Quote:
Originally Posted by Banjocal
sht up u flthy librl foogit stfu u soo mad n butthurdt ur ass is an analpocolypse cuz ur so gay "my ass hrts so mcuh" - u. your rectally vexed n anlly angushed lolo go bck 2 asslnd lolol
King Of Suede is offline   Reply With Quote
Reply


Thread Tools Rate This Thread
Rate This Thread:

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

vB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off
Forum Jump



All times are GMT -4. The time now is 04:40 AM.

Forum Archives / About / Terms of Use / Advertise / Contact / Ultimate-Guitar.Com © 2014
Powered by: vBulletin Version 3.0.9
Copyright ©2000 - 2014, Jelsoft Enterprises Ltd.