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I live in the EU and think the Euro will survive. 13 12.62%
I live outside the EU and think the Euro will survive. 7 6.80%
I live in the EU and think the Euro will survive but some countries will leave. 15 14.56%
I live outside the EU and think the Euro will survive but some countries will leave. 14 13.59%
I live in the EU and don't give a shit. 3 2.91%
I live outside the EU and don't give a shit. 14 13.59%
I'm Welsh and sell sheep for sex so no matter what happens, I'll always have a market. 5 4.85%
I think the worst is still to come. 15 14.56%
I fap to Romney. 2 1.94%
I find it difficult to fap to Romney, but still do. 15 14.56%
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Old 10-06-2012, 08:09 PM   #21
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UK will leave at some point. But they don't contribute much. They're trying as much as they can to participate as little as possible, and let Germany take the big load alone. Sorry if I'm too straight forward but this is how I feel UK is reacting to EU's crisis.


That's cause the UK is fed up of propping a failing organisation.

Also we are the 4th largest contributor.
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Old 10-06-2012, 08:12 PM   #22
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Benefit? How have we benefited? We've been sending shittons of money to other countries.


Germany, along with france, have been lending money to countries (such as Greece), but with stupidly high interest rates.. which they know that the countries in debt will never be able to pay back, this means that they need to lend of other countries to pay the debt to germany. its an everlasting cycle
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Old 10-06-2012, 08:15 PM   #23
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I don't know if the Euro will die out completely but it is inevitable that some countries will leave it in the future. It won't be limited to the poorer countries either, Germany will have to break apart eventually.
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Old 10-06-2012, 08:18 PM   #24
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I meant to vote "I live in the EU and think the Euro will survive." cause England is in EU, but my home country (Norway) isn't, so I voted the second option...

I think the Euro will survive, but I'm not too sure about Spain and Greece, unless there are some serious bailouts and proper planning among the governments in those countries.

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Old 10-06-2012, 08:18 PM   #25
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Hasn't Ireland improved? I know the country is still worse off than it was before 2008, with higher rates of unemployment, protests, etc. but the banks have been 'saved' haven't they? That doesn't help much for Ireland but I think that would help the broader EU crisis which would lead to an improvement for everybody.

To my knowledge, a few effected countries were showing signs of improvement. I guess that doesn't help too much since Greece is ****ed and Spain is increasingly getting more difficult (not to mention that obviously a huge portion of average Spaniards have had just as large of an impact), along with the growing pessimism regarding the European and by extension world economy.
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Old 10-06-2012, 08:53 PM   #26
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Germany, along with france, have been lending money to countries (such as Greece), but with stupidly high interest rates.. which they know that the countries in debt will never be able to pay back, this means that they need to lend of other countries to pay the debt to germany. its an everlasting cycle

To be fair, the richer EU nations have also been granting massive haircuts to PIIGS so it's not all rainbows and unicorns there either
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Old 10-06-2012, 09:13 PM   #27
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Old 10-06-2012, 09:17 PM   #28
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The EU will collapse, America will descend into anarchy, everybody will kill everybody, and then it'll all start over again.
It happens every once in awhile, cause...
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Old 10-06-2012, 10:36 PM   #29
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UK will leave at some point. But they don't contribute much. They're trying as much as they can to participate as little as possible, and let Germany take the big load alone. Sorry if I'm too straight forward but this is how I feel UK is reacting to EU's crisis.



They contribute loads, that's why they're not participating because they stand to lose a lot when it inevitably falls apart. If they don't include themselves, they don't get bumraped by the consequences.

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Benefit? How have we benefited? We've been sending shittons of money to other countries.



The single currency massively helped your manufacturing sector make you the economic power house you are atm.

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That's cause the UK is fed up of propping a failing organisation.

Also we are the 4th largest contributor.


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Australia ftw


Yea the most over priced nanny state, wooo!
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Old 10-06-2012, 10:42 PM   #30
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How can Spain have 1 in 4 people not working?
What a shithole.
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Old 10-06-2012, 10:44 PM   #31
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The single currency massively helped your manufacturing sector make you the economic power house you are atm.

It also caused inflation and overtaxation.

The Euro was supposed to be worth around double what the old Deutsche Mark was worth, and by now everything costs the same numeric price that it did back in the 90's with the DM. Did wages go up? Of course not. Sales tax rose from 15% to 19%, and all social and educational programs had their budgets slashed even further than in '89 when the reunification happened.

EDIT: and don't even get me started on the cigarette tax

EDIT2: They also rose the minimum retirement year from 65 to 67, and claim they don't have plans to raise it even further, but everybody knows that it's impossible for the current generation to pay for the older one's retirement, and most likely people in my generation are going to live their lives paying a huge ****ing chunk of money into the freaking retirement fund and won't ever get a penny of it back.

GERMAN RAAAAAAGEEE.

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Old 10-06-2012, 10:45 PM   #32
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Yea the most over priced nanny state, wooo!

Shits over priced because we earn lots and everyone works. The tax rate and tax on cigarettes is ridiculous but I think it's a big reason why we are so rich.
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Old 10-06-2012, 10:51 PM   #33
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It also caused inflation and overtaxation.

The Euro was supposed to be worth around double what the old Deutsche Mark was worth, and by now everything costs the same numeric price that it did back in the 90's with the DM. Did wages go up? Of course not. Sales tax rose from 15% to 19%, and all social and educational programs had their budgets slashed even further than in '89 when the reunification happened.

EDIT: and don't even get me started on the cigarette tax

EDIT2: They also rose the minimum retirement year from 65 to 67, and claim they don't have plans to raise it even further, but everybody knows that it's impossible for the current generation to pay for the older one's retirement, and most likely people in my generation are going to live their lives paying a huge ****ing chunk of money into the freaking retirement fund and won't ever get a penny of it back.

GERMAN RAAAAAAGEEE.



All true, I don't deny it. That's why lumping successful countries in with countries like Spain with a single currency was doomed to failure.

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Shits over priced because we earn lots and everyone works. The tax rate and tax on cigarettes is ridiculous but I think it's a big reason why we are so rich.



That's a highly simplified and inaccurate reasoning. It also goes no way to explain why with the Aussie dollar as high as it is, prices haven't come down, instead they've gone up.
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All true, I don't deny it. That's why lumping successful countries in with countries like Spain with a single currency was doomed to failure.




That's a highly simplified and inaccurate reasoning. It also goes no way to explain why with the Aussie dollar as high as it is, prices haven't come down, instead they've gone up.

As you may have noticed from my previous post I know very little about this shit.
I say just shh and buy shit.
The only one that gets me is cigarettes.
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Old 10-06-2012, 11:09 PM   #36
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The most ridiculously priced things here are:
1)Alcohol
2)Video games and other media (130 dollars for CoD? lol )
3) Fines. ($207 for not having a valid train ticket? $180 for speeding? wtf)
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Why do video games cost so much over there?



Honestly, I have no idea other than because they can charge that much. I assume it's because years ago when the aussie dollar was worth ~£2-3 it made sense. If a game is £40 then simple currency conversion would make the Australian price roughly $100. But now the dollar is worth more, the price should have gone down. I can buy a game from the UK and ship it here and still save about $15-20
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The most ridiculously priced things here are:
1)Alcohol
2)Video games and other media (130 dollars for CoD? lol )
3) Fines. ($207 for not having a valid train ticket? $180 for speeding? wtf)

Alcohol doesn't seem so much to me $50 a carton isn't bad. Video games IMO are worth it as I enjoy them and they keep me happy for a week or so.
Also some how I have never got a fine, it's amazing considering the way I drive so I can't really back you up on that though $180 for going a bit quick is excessive.
It's the smoke $20 for 25 cigarettes, **** that. That's why I smoke rollies.
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