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Old 10-08-2012, 12:33 AM   #21
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I had a hot rod deluxe and I hated the drive channel. It had no balls and was terribly muddled sounding.


the ones i have heard sound buzzy as all hell. pretty good amp until you hit the distortion on it.

the new hot rod amps claim to have improved the distortion channels, but i haven't played a new one (they also use volume taper knobs on the amps too, wow).

frankly i just don't see any of the hot rod series being worth the cash. they are expensive for what they are. i can get a new hot rod for 750? that is actually not as bad as i thought, but i have music man amps that cost me less than that (~500 usd). i also got my blackfaced '69 twin for 800 and that had a set of JBL D-120's in it.
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Old 10-08-2012, 12:41 AM   #22
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I honestly don't get the hate for the HRD overdrive. The new ones actually sound pretty decent. I can see them working well in a band situation because they are pretty trebley and bright, you'd cut through pretty well.

Having said that though, if I was buying an amp for grit the Fenders wouldn't be my first choice.
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Old 10-08-2012, 12:44 AM   #23
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I honestly don't get the hate for the HRD overdrive. The new ones actually sound pretty decent. I can see them working well in a band situation because they are pretty trebley and bright, you'd cut through pretty well.

Having said that though, if I was buying an amp for grit the Fenders wouldn't be my first choice.


Thats an improvement over the old ones, because they just sounded muddy. It was common to mod the tonestack on the older ones, thats likely what happened with the new ones.
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Old 10-08-2012, 02:26 AM   #24
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I honestly don't get the hate for the HRD overdrive. The new ones actually sound pretty decent. I can see them working well in a band situation because they are pretty trebley and bright, you'd cut through pretty well.

Having said that though, if I was buying an amp for grit the Fenders wouldn't be my first choice.


i have no trouble understanding the hate for the HRD overdrive. a beehive had better tone than the ones i heard...

then again you are talking about the HRD III's that just came out and i haven't played those. they tout an 'improved OD circuit'. it better be improved for the price you pay.
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Old 10-08-2012, 03:19 PM   #25
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the new hot rod amps claim to have improved the distortion channels, but i haven't played a new one (they also use volume taper knobs on the amps too, wow).


good point- i haven't tried it, either. But certainly the od channels on the old one were horrible.
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Old 10-08-2012, 05:37 PM   #26
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Ah heres a question, a Spider or HRD/DeVille drive channel? Tough choice huh.

If this is true about the improved drive circuit I may check one out, I liked the DeVille's cleans.

AND FINALLY, NEW POTS. Wow. Took em long enough.
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Old 10-08-2012, 05:57 PM   #27
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frankly i just don't see any of the hot rod series being worth the cash. they are expensive for what they are. i can get a new hot rod for 750? that is actually not as bad as i thought, but i have music man amps that cost me less than that (~500 usd). i also got my blackfaced '69 twin for 800 and that had a set of JBL D-120's in it.

I got my HRD used for $400. Nice price for a loud tube amp for strictly cleans IMO.
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Old 10-08-2012, 06:20 PM   #28
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I got my HRD used for $400. Nice price for a loud tube amp for strictly cleans IMO.


i almost pulled that post once i considered how many would be on the secondary market. and you're right, secondary price should actually be pretty good.

still rather have a music man for about the same price
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Ah heres a question, a Spider or HRD/DeVille drive channel? Tough choice huh.

If this is true about the improved drive circuit I may check one out, I liked the DeVille's cleans.

AND FINALLY, NEW POTS. Wow. Took em long enough.


I remember thinking when i tried it that it was one of the few (if any) tube amp od channels where i'd actually probably have preferred a solid state amp (even an MG).

of course- it's not quite as simple as that. with an SS amp you don't get the HRD's really quite nice, especially at its price point, cleans- nor would an ss amp likely take pedals as well as one. (Plus as you said, maybe they have improved the od channel in the new version)
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Old 10-08-2012, 06:34 PM   #31
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I remember thinking when i tried it that it was one of the few (if any) tube amp od channels where i'd actually probably have preferred a solid state amp (even an MG).

I can talk in personal experience here sadly

I prefer the HRD OD channel to my MG's. Not by much, though.
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Old 10-08-2012, 06:46 PM   #32
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yeah to be honest an mg's od channel is pretty rubbish. Maybe that was hyperbole on my part.
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Old 10-09-2012, 05:55 PM   #33
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However, as I'm doing so right now, the HRD sounds amazing when paired with a good distortion pedal. So don't leave it out of the equation totally for all dirt if you get one.
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Old 10-09-2012, 06:00 PM   #34
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However, as I'm doing so right now, the HRD sounds amazing when paired with a good distortion pedal. So don't leave it out of the equation totally for all dirt if you get one.


yeah, isn't it ironic. i remember plugging in a DS-1 and it sound better than their stock OD circuit, that is so half ass.

and yeah, they don't sound bad with an pedal in the front at all.
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never tried them with pedals- from all i hear they take pedals well, though.
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