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Old 10-07-2012, 01:50 PM   #1
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Just got a new song done! I know that the video was done crappily, but I mainly focused on the audio and the actual song

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Old 10-07-2012, 09:08 PM   #2
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Awesome... Periphery meets Veil Of Maya LOL, but seriously,you are really good (Y)
the only critic i have to you, is your tone. i would really recomend to use Ozone or wave lab it really improve the mix, or EZ mix that is really helpfully. although i am not saying your tone is bad, it is just that the entire mix is tiny and since this is an original song, it would be a great idea to workout in the mix. but you are great keep it that way.
i am kind of jelous of you since you have my age, 16 aren't you?
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Old 10-08-2012, 12:30 AM   #3
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Aren't those mastering programs? But yeah, gotta look into those.
Correct! 16 'tis.

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EDIT: and yeah, definitely a fan of Periphery, although I've never listened to Veil of Maya. Btw could give a little more specific tips on improving the mix?
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Old 10-08-2012, 03:09 AM   #4
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Not my cup of tea, a little too chugga-chugga for my tastes but you very clearly have talent. The playing in the whole song was very clean, and there was some cool octave displacement going on. I agree guy above the above guy's comment though, you're guitar tone could be a bit better. Back off the gain just a bit and double track it and add a bit of compression, it would sound way huge. You're pretty good, especially considering your age, keep it up!

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Old 10-08-2012, 12:07 PM   #5
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Dude Ibanez all the way The rhythm guitars were actually double tracked, with quite a little gain to start with. I left the settings on the compressor really subtle. I suppose I could try quading them next time I considered it, but I just couldn't bother as I'm busy with school work atm Some of the riffs were a pain in the ass to just double with my skills.

If anyone has any ideas on improving the midrange of the mix without adding vocals or such, that would be great!

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Old 10-08-2012, 12:45 PM   #6
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I really like the verse/chorus at 0:32. Listened to other tracks on your Soundcloud, quite impressed. You definitely keep it interesting for me, you should be churning out some killers in a few years.

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Old 10-08-2012, 02:36 PM   #7
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I like the two-part (bass / treble alternation) writing in the riffs, which are rhymthically interesting (nothing wrong with a good chug!); they're catchy and vibrant. I like the use of recurring parts to achieve structure. Very good use of semitone dissonance in that one section. Listened to it twice and enjoyed both times. Playing's very good and tight.

Tone doesn't need much alteration, just a smidgen more brightness in the high frequencies.

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Old 10-08-2012, 03:27 PM   #8
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Aren't those mastering programs? But yeah, gotta look into those.
Correct! 16 'tis.

Thanks for the crit!
-Jonathan

EDIT: and yeah, definitely a fan of Periphery, although I've never listened to Veil of Maya. Btw could give a little more specific tips on improving the mix?

well, i am not really good at mastering (YET), but this are my advices:
1.- TRY TO GET A MASTERING SOFTWARE IS TOTALLY WORTH IT, Ez is very simple and fast, but if you are looking to sound relly pro, go for Ozone Or Wavelab, personally i rather ozone
2.-Turn down you snare, and in general the drums, they take are taking the mix and overwhelming the guitar
3.-I would recomend to EQ the bass drum to turn down the bass a little bit
4.-I highly recomend to play around with this Frequencies in a graphic EQ for the guitar: 4k to 6.3 K, it could be helpfull if you turn down JUST A LITTLE bit, 63 to 100 HZ, try to turn up the bass so the mids sounds fuller and richer, and add some mids 315 to 500 HZ
5.- DON'T TAKE TOO SERIOUSLY THE POINT NUMBER 4, BECAUSE THERE IT GOES MOST OF YOUR TONE, but it isn't a bad idea to play around the graphic EQ.
well those are my advices, i really hope this is helpfull to you
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Old 10-09-2012, 10:19 AM   #9
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I like the two-part (bass / treble alternation) writing in the riffs, which are rhymthically interesting (nothing wrong with a good chug!); they're catchy and vibrant. I like the use of recurring parts to achieve structure. Very good use of semitone dissonance in that one section. Listened to it twice and enjoyed both times. Playing's very good and tight.

Tone doesn't need much alteration, just a smidgen more brightness in the high frequencies.

C4C? http://www.ultimate-guitar.com/foru...d.php?t=1566536

Thanks for the crit! Also shared my thoughts on your track. You wouldn't mind enlightening me a little on what you exactly meant on with the underlined bits?

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Old 10-09-2012, 06:35 PM   #10
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Thanks for the crit man

I really REALLY love Periphery, so naturally I enjoyed this - HOWEVER: my advice to you would be to find something special that only YOU can do, find it right now and integrate it into your music so that you don't risk fading into the mass waves of generi-core that are engulfing the metal world as of late.

Your composition is sound, your guitar tone is pretty damn excellent - but it does sound a lot like Periphery, so find your niche and incorporate that into your music, there is nothing worse than being mistaken for another artist when you are yourself!
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Old 10-10-2012, 12:23 PM   #11
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Hey there. Writing as I listen:

Start is nice and groovy. Pretty heavy too. At 0:29 onward your guitar seems to be a bit in the distance or I'm missing some presence to fill up the mix somewhere. Is there actually a bassguitar? That could fix the issue. Song is pretty cool. You have some nice riffs and melodic ideas. Not sure about the keys though, they seem a bit like dunno, they make your mix seem even more distant. I love how at 2:30 you can really here that scrapy pick sound. Reminded me a bit of Uneven Structures / Vildhjarta how that they actually incorperate that scrathy sound into their music like some rhytmic feature (Sorry don't remember which song exactly that is). And I'm at the end.

Song itself is cool, altough could use some vocals to spice up the thing. The mix was alright, it should be a bit more in my face. I think you're really missing the bassguitar or you should turn it up louder in the mix.


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Just wanted to add that I'm jealous of your playing skills at 16. You're tighter then me at 20. Your production skills are pretty good already too. The songs you write are also very awesome. I'd like to seriously suggest you go do something with your skills and atleast concider a carreer in music.
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Old 10-10-2012, 01:14 PM   #12
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I'm a little confused by everyone complaining about the mix I mixed this through KRK G2 Rocket 5's and I can hear everything just fine and it's nice and bassy and the only frequencies that I think I'm lacking most are in the high-mids to treble ones. All of my original songs that I write are sort of demos so that I could use them with a possible band in the future, or I could finish the stuff up once I get vocal gear (not in the near future).

The key was C minor with very quite carefully used accidentals. I just sort of don't see it being in a really odd key or something, idk. I guess that's the beauty of music; we all percieve it in a different way.

Is it really bad to mix just with a single set of monitors? I'm getting more dislikes on my mixes now than I did with my crappy stereos that were just absolute shit

Thanks for the crit man!
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Old 10-11-2012, 02:53 AM   #13
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I'm a little confused by everyone complaining about the mix I mixed this through KRK G2 Rocket 5's and I can hear everything just fine and it's nice and bassy and the only frequencies that I think I'm lacking most are in the high-mids to treble ones. All of my original songs that I write are sort of demos so that I could use them with a possible band in the future, or I could finish the stuff up once I get vocal gear (not in the near future).

The key was C minor with very quite carefully used accidentals. I just sort of don't see it being in a really odd key or something, idk. I guess that's the beauty of music; we all percieve it in a different way.

Is it really bad to mix just with a single set of monitors? I'm getting more dislikes on my mixes now than I did with my crappy stereos that were just absolute shit

Thanks for the crit man!
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Problem might be that you still need to get used to the monitors. That stereo you mixed on before, you probably also listened music too, so that "modelled" how you think good song sound. You probably spent countless hours listening to music through that and it just all got stuck in your head. Maybe your stereo had less pronounced mids/highs and now when mixing on these monitors you think your mix needs less mids/highs to match how the ideal sound sounds in your head. I'm just speculating though but try getting some more milage of actual music listening on the monitors might help, if you haven't already.
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Old 10-11-2012, 05:04 AM   #14
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Hey man this is very nice. Good to see you're keeping at it. Of course, like everyone before me said, the mix is a little weak on some sections. The choir is a nice touch and feels out those sections nicely. Maybe a few more melodies here and there would feel it out better. Instead of rhythm after rhythm. Don't be afraid to jump into some solos either man. Good use of some chords in there. You have good consistency and you're accurate with your rhythms. Very good overall dude. Keep at it man.
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Old 10-13-2012, 12:38 PM   #15
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AWesome job! I dig the use of chords! I know that it's seen as a given that chords will be used, but when I hear some used right, it stands out a lot to me!
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Old 10-13-2012, 04:09 PM   #16
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