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Old 09-29-2012, 12:55 PM   #1
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Need help with custom guitar form

I'm filling out a form for a custom ESP LTD guitar, and want a guitar that can mimic those high harmonics that Dimebag Darrel can do(I know the technique, but my current guitar is lacking).

The order form is at http://www.espguitars.com/ESP-CustomOrder-2012.pdf.

I'm familiar with some of it, but a lot of it is just downright confusing to me.

Can someone give me an explanation for 'Neck pickup', 'Middle pickup', 'Bridge pickup'(I know what pickups are, but it's not a drop-down menu, I have to type something in. What do I type in?), 'Mounting ring', 'Truss Rod Cover', 'Control Pattern', 'Control wiring', and 'String guage'?

Also, does nut type and inlay material make a difference?
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Old 09-29-2012, 01:04 PM   #2
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With the pickups I would assume that you choose your brand (EMG or SD) and then type in toe model and configuration into the separate boxes. The mounting ring is what goes around pickups (commonly humbuckers) and is usually a rectangle. They're on most Les Pauls if you want to have a look. The truss rod cover is on the head stock and is a vaguely triangular piece of plastic/metal/wood that covers the truss rod opening and is removed for adjustment. I assume control pattern might be to do with how you want the switches and knobs to look cosmetically while control wiring is how you want them to function (this is purely a guess) and string gauge is what thickness strings the guitar is set up for when it leaves the factory. This can be changed.
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Old 09-29-2012, 01:04 PM   #3
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Are you really ready to commit to a custom build if you don't know what difference is between "neck", "middle" and "bridge" pickups?

Clue: you know what part of the guitar is the neck and bridge, yes? Look at a Fender Strat... three pickups; one at the neck, one at the bridge and one in the middle
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Old 09-29-2012, 01:05 PM   #4
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Inlay material would be a cosmetic thing.
Nut type will make a big difference if you're looking for Dimebag-esque sounds, because you'll need a locking nut to go with your locking trem.
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Old 09-29-2012, 02:45 PM   #5
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those high harmonics that Dimebag Darrel can do


Could do.........



You don't need a custom guitar to do squeals like Dime. Simply the right technique, along with a floyd equipped guitar, preferably with high output pickups.

Plenty of guitars fit that criteria.

No use to blow all that cash on a custom. Especially if you aren't familiar enough with guitar to know what pickups go where.

You need to have an idea of what you want before you buy. Wood type, pickup type, bridge preference, scale length, etc.

Different people like different things. Only through playing and experience will you learn what works best and sounds best for you. Until you know exactly what you want in a guitar, I'd move away from a custom shop.
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Old 09-29-2012, 03:01 PM   #6
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You don't need a custom guitar to do squeals like Dime. Simply the right technique, along with a floyd equipped guitar, preferably with high output pickups.

Plenty of guitars fit that criteria.

No use to blow all that cash on a custom. Especially if you aren't familiar enough with guitar to know what pickups go where.

You need to have an idea of what you want before you buy. Wood type, pickup type, bridge preference, scale length, etc.

Different people like different things. Only through playing and experience will you learn what works best and sounds best for you. Until you know exactly what you want in a guitar, I'd move away from a custom shop.

I would highly recommend heeding this advice.
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Old 09-29-2012, 04:21 PM   #7
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If you don't know which pickup is the bridge and neck pickup you don't need to be ordering a custom guitar...
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Old 10-02-2012, 05:39 PM   #8
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After taking a quick look at my Fender, I feel really stupid for asking about the pickups, since it's actually pretty obvious. I just never took to heart that they had different names. Anyway, even if I shouldn't get a custom guitar(to get the Dimebag sound), it's still good to know how to order one, right?
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Old 10-02-2012, 05:55 PM   #9
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Are you even aware that a custom ESP will cost like $3000?
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Old 10-02-2012, 06:10 PM   #10
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you should go with a smaller luthier who can make something better, for around the same price, and walk you through every choice, step and design element.

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Old 10-02-2012, 11:14 PM   #11
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For the love of god it's not a dimebag sound, its a pinch harmonic.

****.

The reason you suck at them isn't because of your guitar, its because you suck. You rectify your suck-ness through practice, not by purchasing bloody expensive gear. Go practice pinch harmonics. The reason you aren't getting them on your strat is because:

a) You suck at them. This is true, regardless of b, unless you practice. Which you haven't yet.

Possibly as well as:

b) You haven't set your guitar up right. This includes pickup height, of which strats need to be done, like all other guitars.
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Old 10-02-2012, 11:17 PM   #12
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For the love of god it's not a dimebag sound, its a pinch harmonic.

****.

The reason you suck at them isn't because of your guitar, its because you suck. You rectify your suck-ness through practice, not by purchasing bloody expensive gear. Go practice pinch harmonics. The reason you aren't getting them on your strat is because:

a) You suck at them. This is true, regardless of b, unless you practice. Which you haven't yet.

Possibly as well as:

b) You haven't set your guitar up right. This includes pickup height, of which strats need to be done, like all other guitars.


This is a much better idea than spending stupid amounts of money on a custom guitar. But don't worry TS, I suck at pinch harmonics too. He's not just being mean for the sake of it, he actually has a point.
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Old 10-03-2012, 02:03 AM   #13
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he's just messing around with the form u guys.
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Old 10-03-2012, 02:15 AM   #14
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Are you even aware that a custom ESP will cost like $3000?


Aww, aren't you just the little optimist!

ESP Customs will run a LOT higher than that with the right specs. That's a company well renwoned for its quality, 3k may be a low estimate as far as they go. Minus runs and such.

TS: Just practice. Seriously. Shelling out that much cash to get pinch harmonics is just...stupid.

As far as the form goes, google up a layout of a guitar. It'll help you out.
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Old 10-03-2012, 08:48 AM   #15
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he's just messing around with the form u guys.


No, he's not, look:

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I'm filling out a form for a custom ESP LTD guitar, and want a guitar that can mimic those high harmonics that Dimebag Darrel can do(I know the technique, but my current guitar is lacking).


So, he sucks at pinch harmonics (seriously, stop being ****ing ******ed and calling them dime squeals. He was a shit guitarist and its good he's dead so he can't make more bad things. (Good, blatantly controversial and opinionated statement made, moving on).

His solution, instead of setting his guitar and amp properly ie higher gain, pups closer to the strings, learning where the harmonic nodes are etc, he chooses to go out and get a custom guitar. ESP custom shops can cost 20 grand in some cases. Yeah, really smart.

He's not having fun with the form, because this is the core of his post.

TS, just practice them.
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Old 10-03-2012, 12:18 PM   #16
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While I don't agree with Dimebag being a totally shit guitarist (not the best, nor my favorite), he speaks the truth.
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Old 10-03-2012, 12:54 PM   #17
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No, he's not, look:



So, he sucks at pinch harmonics (seriously, stop being ****ing ******ed and calling them dime squeals. He was a shit guitarist and its good he's dead so he can't make more bad things. (Good, blatantly controversial and opinionated statement made, moving on).

His solution, instead of setting his guitar and amp properly ie higher gain, pups closer to the strings, learning where the harmonic nodes are etc, he chooses to go out and get a custom guitar. ESP custom shops can cost 20 grand in some cases. Yeah, really smart.

He's not having fun with the form, because this is the core of his post.

TS, just practice them.


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So, he sucks at pinch harmonics (seriously, stop being ****ing ******ed and calling them dime squeals. He was a shit guitarist and its good he's dead so he can't make more bad things.



You're glad someone is dead because you think they were a bad guitarist?

Not only are you an a$$hole but you are even stupider than you are implying the TS to be.
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No, he's not, look:



So, he sucks at pinch harmonics (seriously, stop being ****ing ******ed and calling them dime squeals. He was a shit guitarist and its good he's dead so he can't make more bad things. (Good, blatantly controversial and opinionated statement made, moving on).

TS, just practice them.

You sir are an idiot. What's even funnier is that one of your favorite guitarists is van halen, these two guitarists have so many similarities. I challenge you to pick just one, any one of dimebags solo's and nail it dead on since he sucks so bad. You may even learn something when start to notice very similar patterns and techniques, if you are a van halen fan.

To the TS. Although it is true you can get harmonic screams from any guitar with a floyd (even without floyd and a different technique), to help really make the sound more agressive, you need:
-great technique
-bill and becky bridge p/u
-correct amp/effects, and settings
-floyd (for most of his squeels)
-more technique
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You all took the bait. I'm laughing.
But still he's terrible.
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