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Old 10-08-2012, 04:54 PM   #21
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My suggestions:

Luck in Sarajevo - Izet Sarajlic
This Dead Relationship - Katherine Pierpoint
Changing The Subject - Carole Satyamurti
And The Days Are Not Full Enough - Ezra Pound
Grass - Carl Sandburg

None of them are absurdist, but that's because absurdism is rather sophomoric and irritating the majority of the time.

Edit: ^ 'Absurdism at its finest'.


We're not allowed to pick foreigner poems. Only Dutch entries.
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Old 10-08-2012, 04:55 PM   #22
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We're not allowed to pick foreigner poems. Only Dutch entries.


What a ******ed assignment.
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Old 10-08-2012, 04:56 PM   #23
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Grow up man, this is absurdism at it's finest.

It's inappropriate, in the same way that people being nude in public is.
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It's inappropriate, in the same way that people being nude in public is.


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Old 10-08-2012, 05:01 PM   #26
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What a ******ed assignment.


Not really, since it's for Dutch. That's like analysing a french poem for English. Ofcourse you didn't know that
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Not really, since it's for Dutch. That's like analysing a french poem for English. Ofcourse you didn't know that


I analyse foreign poets all the time and I'm studying English literature.
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I analyse foreign poets all the time and I'm studying English literature.


Too bad we're not allowed to choose for ourselves. I'm sorry, but that's the way it is : \
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Old 10-08-2012, 05:12 PM   #29
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I have to analyse a poem tomorrow. I was thinking about this one (roughly translated)

My wife works
her ass off
so I can
completely devote
myself to art

allegedly,
because what I
basically do
is drinking booze
and watching porn. why are these in infinitive? should be drink and watch
In addition I
complain alot
about people
who actually
do something.

Any tips

Yes I've considered this poem seriously. It's for my exam.

Oh and the style is absurdism



you can start analyzing the narrator's position, as opposed to society. what he does is not really much, he himself underestimates the job of a poet, though he is probably being sarcastic -as any respectable poet would know his job is valuable, unless he is sick in the head or sth-, he is making fun of the society's conception of being a poet. in a society like ours, writing doesn't make much money. he needs ways to survive in this world though, that's where his wife enters. the absurdity comes in how he complains about people who do something, yet he does 'nothing'. his job is simple, drink and watch porn. he is absurd. etc. i'm majoring in lit.

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Who wrote the poem? You say you had to translate it? I reckon pick a different poem as there's really not much to analyse. I like this poem though. Very deadbeat plain speaking style like Bukowski or Baudelaire.


bukowski, i understand. baudelaire, never in a million years, lol.
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you can start analyzing the narrator's position, as opposed to society. what he does is not really much, he himself underestimates the job of a poet, though he is probably being sarcastic -as any respectable poet would know his job is valuable, unless he is sick in the head or sth-, he is making fun of the society's conception of being a poet. in a society like ours, writing doesn't make much money. he needs ways to survive in this world though, that's where his wife enters. the absurdity comes in how he complains about people who do something, yet he does 'nothing'. his job is simple, drink and watch porn. he is absurd. etc. i'm majoring in lit.



bukowski, i understand. baudelaire, never in a million years, lol.


You don't understand the essence of absurdism.

"In philosophy, "the Absurd" refers to the conflict between the human tendency to seek inherent value and meaning in life and the human inability to find any. In this context absurd does not mean "logically impossible," but rather "humanly impossible.""

What you are doing here, is trying to find meaning for something that wasn't intended to have any meaning. I know, it sounds ridiculous. It's a matter of acquired taste for the most part.
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You don't understand the essence of absurdism.

"In philosophy, "the Absurd" refers to the conflict between the human tendency to seek inherent value and meaning in life and the human inability to find any. In this context absurd does not mean "logically impossible," but rather "humanly impossible.""

What you are doing here, is trying to find meaning for something that wasn't intended to have any meaning. I know, it sounds ridiculous. It's a matter of acquired taste for the most part.


When you're analysing absurdist literature you are just as able to find meaning as you are in any other form of literature. Absurdism doesn't extend to criticism of absurdist texts.
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You don't understand the essence of absurdism.

"In philosophy, "the Absurd" refers to the conflict between the human tendency to seek inherent value and meaning in life and the human inability to find any. In this context absurd does not mean "logically impossible," but rather "humanly impossible.""

What you are doing here, is trying to find meaning for something that wasn't intended to have any meaning. I know, it sounds ridiculous. It's a matter of acquired taste for the most part.



lol. i'm not trying to find any meaning, i'm just interpreting what's there. i know my absurdism. i have been strongly influenced by dadaism and existentialism too. also, i interpreted the poem by itself. not any 'artistic movement' or 'philosophy' around it. the poem could very well be fit into 'dirty realism', 'minimalism', 'hyperrealism', etc. and what does the 'humanly impossible' part have to do with the poem? what you are saying does sound and is ridiculous, 'this wasn't intented to have any meaning' is false, the writer made use of language, which -whether you like it or not- is based on symbols that carry meaning. if he intended to not have any meaning, then i must say he failed. any random combination of words would've worked. 'my wife' has a meaning, 'works her ass off' does too, i think the meaning is extremely clear. not sure why you are saying all of this.


edit: didn't even read the thread title correctly. just noticed it said WITHOUT. if you don't care about meaning, then you can analyze it in terms of phonetics, the music of words, the spacings of ideas, the delivery (pretty straight forward), the minimalism approach (lack of 'true metaphors'), the intention, the context, etc.
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bukowski, i understand. baudelaire, never in a million years, lol.


I give you this from 'Le Vin de l'Assassin', The Murderers Wine as an example of plain speak and absurdism. First stanza = plain speaking, second stanza absurdism.

My wife's dead, I am free!
Now I can drink as much as I want
When I used to come home broke
Her yelling tore my nerves to pieces
...
The horrible thirst thats tearing me apart would need,
in order to satisfy it
all the wine her grave would hold
and thats saying something

So yes it has happened in a million years.
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I give you this from 'Le Vin de l'Assassin', The Murderers Wine as an example of plain speak and absurdism. First stanza = plain speaking, second stanza absurdism.

My wife's dead, I am free!
Now I can drink as much as I want
When I used to come home broke
Her yelling tore my nerves to pieces
...
The horrible thirst thats tearing me apart would need,
in order to satisfy it
all the wine her grave would hold
and thats saying something

So yes it has happened in a million years.


first of all, the original french poem is in verse. that alone sets it drastically apart from bukowski. baudelaire uses strict consonant rhymes. i'm too lazy to count the syllables of each line, but i'm sure it is constant. it also uses metaphors. it worries about rhythm. i spent some time living in France and i was never in a situation where i'd imagine someone coming up to me and speaking like that. when you read bukowski, you usually notice a conversational tone throughout the poem. i think reading les fleurs du mal would be enough to say the poem in the OP is not baudelaire. t'imagine?
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lol. i'm not trying to find any meaning, i'm just interpreting what's there. i know my absurdism. i have been strongly influenced by dadaism and existentialism too. also, i interpreted the poem by itself. not any 'artistic movement' or 'philosophy' around it. the poem could very well be fit into 'dirty realism', 'minimalism', 'hyperrealism', etc. and what does the 'humanly impossible' part have to do with the poem? what you are saying does sound and is ridiculous, 'this wasn't intented to have any meaning' is false, the writer made use of language, which -whether you like it or not- is based on symbols that carry meaning. if he intended to not have any meaning, then i must say he failed. any random combination of words would've worked. 'my wife' has a meaning, 'works her ass off' does too, i think the meaning is extremely clear. not sure why you are saying all of this.


edit: didn't even read the thread title correctly. just noticed it said WITHOUT. if you don't care about meaning, then you can analyze it in terms of phonetics, the music of words, the spacings of ideas, the delivery (pretty straight forward), the minimalism approach (lack of 'true metaphors'), the intention, the context, etc.


Ok, here's another poem for ya, same writer

We drove all the way to the far Egypt with our camper,
and brought our BBQ with us. The weather is lovely and our mood is superb.
There goes the first sausage on the BBQ. And there goes the second sausage. And the third. and the fourth, and the fifth, etcetera.. until there are none left. Then we proceed to sleep satisfied in our above-mentioned camper.

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edit: didn't even read the thread title correctly. just noticed it said WITHOUT. if you don't care about meaning, then you can analyze it in terms of phonetics, the music of words, the spacings of ideas, the delivery (pretty straight forward), the minimalism approach (lack of 'true metaphors'), the intention, the context, etc.


It's not that I don't care about the meaning, tis more that I don't know how to interpretate it.
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Tell you what, some of us warned you the poem was shit.
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