MakinLattes

The key is to bullshit.

Jackal58

Roses are red
Violets are blue
This thread is stupid
And I like beer.

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My Last Words

We'll see : )

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cornmancer

Teachers hate shit like this.

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Rebel Scum

I was not really referring to meters and rhythmn, more the content. Sure most of Les Fluers du Mal is not like OP's poem but when I read it, I immediately thought Bukowski and that particular Baudelaire poem.

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crazysam23_Atax

Yes, we will. And unless you're absolutely amazing at bullshitting (like the champion of all bullshit), then...we'll really see.

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neidnarb11890

a girl in one of my classes gave a pretty good talk on a Tristan Tzara poem. I was impressed. TS needs to try harder.

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neidnarb11890

that's why you can't pass freshman English, bb.

instead of just saying "it's absurdist, there is no meaning", TS could focus on irony or smthng.

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dullsilver_mike

My master's was in literary criticism with an emphasis on later poetry; I'm in the absolute perfect situation to help you...

Granted I wasted my time studying English so now I get trashed every night and I'm far too drunk to make suggestions as to how you might analyze the poem.

I guess you should just remember: no one cares "what" a poem means, an analysis needs to focus entire on "how" a poem means.

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catempire

To my mind, the poem does have meaning, but it requires that the reader understands the context in which it is written - i.e. has some understanding of what is generally expected in poetry. It's reflecting on people's expectations of the arts and the extent to which artists are valued.

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Yep.

Yeah I mean there's obv tons of meaning here. But if y'r not sufficiently acquainted with the meaning of "meaning" in academic-or-whatever discourse, you won't necessarily be able to consciously identify all the things that contribute to the meaning, even if you process them at a non-analytical level. And then there's the problem of communicating them.

Like, I could make observations about this 'poem' in terms of irony, tone, character, context within the larger work, etc. But I wouldn't be able to say as much as I ought to be able to. And I'm sure there's sense to be made of its presentation—the line length, for example. But I'm not equipped for that.

Learning is a weird process. Feel like for the most part the public education system just teaches reductionist thinking, and stuff beyond that requires time for varied experience and reflection. Some people don't get that kind of time/experience/reflection. "Thinking abt" yr homework isn't the same as reflection.

When ur dumb ur dumb.

METAL_MAN135

Find a deeper meaning? It amazes me how people think that everything has a deep meaning.

I write songs about drinking beer and having sex because I like them; there is no deeper meaning.

I will laugh my tits off if the author of the poem is interviewed, and he says he wrote the poem because he likes porn and beer.

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the bartender

OP, go pick any random poem by Gerard Reve. That guy was a genius.

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fender_696

I don't particularly like it, but the number of people stating that the poem in the OP is objectively 'bad' is ridiculous.

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My Last Words

I agree. I don't think this particular poem has any meaning.

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snipelfritz

EDIT: ^then again, you said it's absurdism, so that would make perfect sense. METAL_MAN actually described absurdist philosophy quite well. Camus would be proud.

Look at the language itself. What kinds of words is he using? (I'll give you a hint, booze and porn are pretty casual, informal terms). Is he speaking actively, passively, agressively, etc.? How do the words sound? How do all of those things contribute to the tone?

Look at the structure. Why is the first stanza half as long as the second? How do they differ? Why are the long sentences broken up into small fragments?

I'm a little confused though, you said this is a translation? You should look at the original text if you're going to analyze something like that. It's less about what is said and more about how it's said.

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My Last Words

Here's the original, I tried.

"Mijn wijf werkt
zich kapot
zodat ik me
volledig kan
wijden aan de kunst

zogenaamd,
want wat ik
vooral
dus doe is zuipen
en porno kijken.
Daarnaast kanker
ik veel op
iedereen die
wel iets doet."

Ofcourse it's a bit different in english

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