Go Back   UG Community @ Ultimate-Guitar.Com > Instruments > Guitar Gear & Accessories
User Name  
Password
Search:

Reply
Old 10-09-2012, 04:11 AM   #1
meqws
Registered User
 
Join Date: Jan 2008
Super champ xd or mustang 3 for Santana tone?

Hey people,

I'm about to get a new amp and am down to these two.. I've been reading many comparisons between fender super champ xd and mustang III amps lately. I play mostly Santana and have the new PRS SE santana model guitar. Which of these amps do you guys think would satisfy my needs more?

Thanks a lot!

Last edited by meqws : 10-09-2012 at 04:13 AM.
meqws is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 10-09-2012, 04:15 AM   #2
Eppicurt
Don't even like pedals.
 
Eppicurt's Avatar
 
Join Date: Aug 2008
Location: Sydney
__________________
Quote:
Originally Posted by SimplyBen
That's the advantage of being such a distance from Yianni. I can continue to live my life without fear of stumbling upon his dark terror.


Quote:
Originally Posted by Toppscore
NakedInTheRain aka "Naked with shriveled pencil sized bacon In The Rain"
Eppicurt is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 10-09-2012, 04:32 AM   #3
meqws
Registered User
 
Join Date: Jan 2008
I have about $200 budget. And since my budget is low, I'm thinkin about buying a used amp. I play mostly at home and currently have a crate v18-112 and I use a boss OS-2 pedal with it. This amp is waay too bassy. And it sounds too muddy without the pedal when the gain is high

Last edited by meqws : 10-09-2012 at 04:34 AM.
meqws is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 10-09-2012, 04:34 AM   #4
Eppicurt
Don't even like pedals.
 
Eppicurt's Avatar
 
Join Date: Aug 2008
Location: Sydney
Are you going to sell your Crate? That would help with the budget and you can get something a little nicer. Also we need the genres you play.

Also where are you located in the world? That changes the used market dramatically.
__________________
Quote:
Originally Posted by SimplyBen
That's the advantage of being such a distance from Yianni. I can continue to live my life without fear of stumbling upon his dark terror.


Quote:
Originally Posted by Toppscore
NakedInTheRain aka "Naked with shriveled pencil sized bacon In The Rain"
Eppicurt is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 10-09-2012, 04:36 AM   #5
meqws
Registered User
 
Join Date: Jan 2008
Yea I'm gona sell it but I'll have $200 budget after I sell it. And I'm in CA, USA.

Last edited by meqws : 10-09-2012 at 04:38 AM.
meqws is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 10-09-2012, 04:39 AM   #6
Eppicurt
Don't even like pedals.
 
Eppicurt's Avatar
 
Join Date: Aug 2008
Location: Sydney
Where in California? Just want to check out your local craigslist for some stuff.

I mean really with that budget though, getting something that'll do what you want is hard.
__________________
Quote:
Originally Posted by SimplyBen
That's the advantage of being such a distance from Yianni. I can continue to live my life without fear of stumbling upon his dark terror.


Quote:
Originally Posted by Toppscore
NakedInTheRain aka "Naked with shriveled pencil sized bacon In The Rain"
Eppicurt is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 10-09-2012, 04:45 AM   #7
meqws
Registered User
 
Join Date: Jan 2008
Quote:
Originally Posted by Eppicurt
Where in California? Just want to check out your local craigslist for some stuff.

I mean really with that budget though, getting something that'll do what you want is hard.


Yeah I know its kinda difficult with this budget. I can wait a little to save some money if there's something around $300 that can give the sound that I want. I live in san diego
meqws is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 10-09-2012, 05:13 AM   #8
Eppicurt
Don't even like pedals.
 
Eppicurt's Avatar
 
Join Date: Aug 2008
Location: Sydney
Yeah, saving is probably your best option for now. I mean ideally if you want Santana tones you need a Mesa Mk1, but they're way out of your budget.

Here's just a few I've pulled out in your price range:

http://sandiego.craigslist.org/nsd/msg/3313119969.html
http://sandiego.craigslist.org/csd/msg/3319207908.html
http://sandiego.craigslist.org/nsd/msg/3302844429.html (The Laney)
http://sandiego.craigslist.org/csd/msg/3323572315.html (Probably not...)
http://sandiego.craigslist.org/ssd/msg/3315205450.html (A great deal)
__________________
Quote:
Originally Posted by SimplyBen
That's the advantage of being such a distance from Yianni. I can continue to live my life without fear of stumbling upon his dark terror.


Quote:
Originally Posted by Toppscore
NakedInTheRain aka "Naked with shriveled pencil sized bacon In The Rain"
Eppicurt is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 10-09-2012, 05:22 AM   #9
Cathbard
Grumpy Old Tech
 
Cathbard's Avatar
 
Join Date: Oct 2009
Location: Australia
Santana is Mesa Mark 1. A good hard boost in front of a Fender tube amp gets you surprisingly close to Santana tones. That's not surprising really when you consider the history of the Mesa Mark 1. If you aren't gigging, maybe an Excelsior? An actual tube Fender, not a hybrid or a modeller. Most old Fenders tube amps will do the deed with heaps of boost out front.
Old school tube Fender and a Timmy, that's the ticket.

What you really need is a Mesa Mark though of course. Start saving your pennies now.
__________________
Gilchrist custom guitar
Yamaha SBG500
Telecaster
Randall RM100
Abbey Harmonic II
Marshall JTM45 clone
Marshall JCM900 4102 (modded)
Marshall 18W clone
Fender 5F1 Champ clone
Marshall 1960A
Boss GT-100


Cathbard Amplification
Cathbard is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 10-09-2012, 05:25 AM   #10
Eppicurt
Don't even like pedals.
 
Eppicurt's Avatar
 
Join Date: Aug 2008
Location: Sydney
Quote:
Originally Posted by Cathbard
Santana is Mesa Mark 1. A good hard boost in front of a Fender tube amp gets you surprisingly close to Santana tones. That's not surprising really when you consider the history of the Mesa Mark 1. If you aren't gigging, maybe an Excelsior? An actual tube Fender, not a hybrid or a modeller. Most old Fenders tube amps will do the deed with heaps of boost out front.
Old school tube Fender and a Timmy, that's the ticket.

What you really need is a Mesa Mark though of course. Start saving your pennies now.

Interesting. TS, go try out the Excelsior with a boost and report back.
__________________
Quote:
Originally Posted by SimplyBen
That's the advantage of being such a distance from Yianni. I can continue to live my life without fear of stumbling upon his dark terror.


Quote:
Originally Posted by Toppscore
NakedInTheRain aka "Naked with shriveled pencil sized bacon In The Rain"
Eppicurt is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 10-09-2012, 05:30 AM   #11
Cathbard
Grumpy Old Tech
 
Cathbard's Avatar
 
Join Date: Oct 2009
Location: Australia
Carlos was using Fenders prior to the Mark 1. The Mark 1 was basically a Princeton with a big fat tube boost bolted on front and a bigger power amp.
__________________
Gilchrist custom guitar
Yamaha SBG500
Telecaster
Randall RM100
Abbey Harmonic II
Marshall JTM45 clone
Marshall JCM900 4102 (modded)
Marshall 18W clone
Fender 5F1 Champ clone
Marshall 1960A
Boss GT-100


Cathbard Amplification
Cathbard is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 10-09-2012, 02:14 PM   #12
meqws
Registered User
 
Join Date: Jan 2008
Thank you guys. Especially, Eppicurt... Thanks a lot for taking the time to search on CL. Appreciate it.. I think I'll wait a little more so I can save some $$$
meqws is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 10-09-2012, 02:49 PM   #13
fly135
Cheap Gear Enthusiast
 
fly135's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jul 2007
Location: Orlando
That Crate VC5310 in the CL ad is a sweet amp, but very heavy if you need to tote it.
__________________
Tasty Licks - A collection of my music
fly135 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 10-09-2012, 04:27 PM   #14
meqws
Registered User
 
Join Date: Jan 2008
The other thing that makes me think is that I have to crank up the volume to be able to get the best from a tube amp. And I live in an apartment... If I crank the volume on the amp and turn it down from my overdrive pedal would I still be able to get a good sound?
meqws is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 10-09-2012, 04:39 PM   #15
Kevin Saale
Talks to empty chairs
 
Kevin Saale's Avatar
 
Join Date: Dec 2007
Location: In a desert, next to a chair
You shouldn't need to crank an amp to get a good santana sound (you won't be able to get that infinite feedback though). Santanas sound is very smooth and a similar sound can be achieved with just preamp distortion.
__________________
I don't give a shit if you listen to me or not.

Quote:
Get three coffins ready.

My mistake, four coffins.
Kevin Saale is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 10-09-2012, 04:46 PM   #16
Guitarbaddie
Words go here
 
Guitarbaddie's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jan 2010
Quote:
Originally Posted by Kevin Saale
You shouldn't need to crank an amp to get a good santana sound (you won't be able to get that infinite feedback though). Santanas sound is very smooth and a similar sound can be achieved with just preamp distortion.


Just wanted to add to this.

Trying to find "that" tone, and living in an apartment don't go together, just an FYI

You can try at low volumes, but you'll never truly get there.
__________________
PRS SE Tremonti (Zakk Wylde EMGs)
Ampeg VH140C
GFT90 Floor Tuner
Arion Octave MOC-1
Guitarbaddie is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 10-09-2012, 04:55 PM   #17
Robbgnarly
Registered User
 
Robbgnarly's Avatar
 
Join Date: Feb 2011
Location: NSB, FL
look for a used Fender Blues Jr
__________________
2002 PRS CE22
2013 G&L ASAT Deluxe
2009 Epiphone G-400 (SH-4)
Marshall JCM2000 DSL100
Krank 1980 Jr 20watt
Krank Rev 4x12 (eminence V12)
GFS Greenie/Digitech Bad Monkey
Morley Bad Horsie 2
MXR Smart Gate
Robbgnarly is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 10-09-2012, 05:14 PM   #18
Kevin Saale
Talks to empty chairs
 
Kevin Saale's Avatar
 
Join Date: Dec 2007
Location: In a desert, next to a chair
Quote:
Originally Posted by Guitarbaddie
Just wanted to add to this.

Trying to find "that" tone, and living in an apartment don't go together, just an FYI

You can try at low volumes, but you'll never truly get there.


No, of course not, but no one is gonna nail his tone anyways. So much of his sound is from the amp being loud (but not necessarily power tube break up) and standing in the right spot to be able to get that harmonic feedback on demand for infinite sustain.

I can't remember if it was him or Gary Moore (likely both) but before a show during the initial soundcheck he would find the spot on the stage that gave the best feedback and mark it out with an 'X' of tape or something so he could walk to that spot during a solo to get that sustain you hear.
__________________
I don't give a shit if you listen to me or not.

Quote:
Get three coffins ready.

My mistake, four coffins.
Kevin Saale is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 10-09-2012, 09:12 PM   #19
ihartfood
Potato Faced Blind Man
 
ihartfood's Avatar
 
Join Date: Mar 2012
Location: Texas
the Vypyr tube or Crate will do nicely.
__________________
My Rig
Like Telecasters?
ihartfood is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 10-09-2012, 09:43 PM   #20
meqws
Registered User
 
Join Date: Jan 2008
I thought peaveys were mostly for metal or hard rock
meqws is offline   Reply With Quote
Reply


Thread Tools Rate This Thread
Rate This Thread:

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

vB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off
Forum Jump



All times are GMT -4. The time now is 08:58 AM.

Forum Archives / About / Terms of Use / Advertise / Contact / Ultimate-Guitar.Com © 2014
Powered by: vBulletin Version 3.0.9
Copyright ©2000 - 2014, Jelsoft Enterprises Ltd.