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Old 10-08-2012, 06:25 PM   #41
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I don't usually espouse absolutist views, but when I do, they're in favour of completely free and uninhibited speech.
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Old 10-08-2012, 06:38 PM   #42
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Oh god if saying sick shit online got you arrested then half the internet should be in jail right now.
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Old 10-08-2012, 06:40 PM   #43
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So there's been some discussion on here regarding free speech differences betwixt countries, primarily between the U.S. and the U.K.

I just saw this recent BBC news article and thought it a fantastic example of UK speech laws in action.

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..still unclear whether he will serve more time than the man who killed her.





Without seeing the comments in context it's hard to make a fair judgement on this case. While it's easy to say 'this is bullshit, free speech!... etc' we don't know how the comments were made and what was contained in them.

He could have been posting them on a page that her family frequent (appealing for info etc) and could have caused them psychological harm. If the title had read "Jailed for online harassment" few people would bat an eyelid.
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Old 10-08-2012, 06:43 PM   #44
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What the hell do I care if he gets arrested?

So, if someone takes exception to your words, you wouldn't mind if you possibly got thrown into prison for it? Because, no matter how it's dressed, that's essentially what happened here.

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Old 10-08-2012, 06:53 PM   #45
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There's always a line between harassment and offence, and freedom of speech does not span it.
I've done very little research into the context of his "joke", but if it was just him randomly posting it then the police should have just put the phone down on the callers. But if he was actually using it directed at people involved in the case then yes, he should definitely do time.
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Old 10-08-2012, 06:56 PM   #46
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Without seeing the comments in context it's hard to make a fair judgement on this case. While it's easy to say 'this is bullshit, free speech!... etc' we don't know how the comments were made and what was contained in them.

He could have been posting them on a page that her family frequent (appealing for info etc) and could have caused them psychological harm. If the title had read "Jailed for online harassment" few people would bat an eyelid.


Are humans not capable of solving disputes? Unless this is ongoing harassment, or threatens the physical health of the recipient, it should be interpreted as a statement-harsh yes-but just a statement. 'Made in public' is part of the reasoning... ...so can't make harsh statements in public in Great Britain, I'll note for travel purpose
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Old 10-08-2012, 06:59 PM   #47
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Old 10-08-2012, 07:15 PM   #48
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Are humans not capable of solving disputes? Unless this is ongoing harassment, or threatens the physical health of the recipient, it should be interpreted as a statement-harsh yes-but just a statement. 'Made in public' is part of the reasoning... ...so can't make harsh statements in public in Great Britain, I'll note for travel purpose

I like how you call this a 'dispute' when you don't know the content of the statement in question. It could have been a threat, it could have been harassing behaviour, it could have been a completely benign statement.

We don't know.

Most people are capable of solving disputes, but if you're going through the worst period in your life dealing with potentially having your daughter murdered, you might not be in the right frame of mind to calmly deal with some prick harassing you and mocking your daughter's death.

Also, it's funny because the court is the archetypal method of dispute resolution.
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Old 10-08-2012, 07:24 PM   #49
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Old 10-08-2012, 07:29 PM   #50
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There's always a line between harassment and offence, and freedom of speech does not span it.

Well there is a legal distinction between the two.

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I've done very little research into the context of his "joke", but if it was just him randomly posting it then the police should have just put the phone down on the callers. But if he was actually using it directed at people involved in the case then yes, he should definitely do time.


He posted it on his personal own page. He was copying it from sickipedia.


Now as far as my knowledge on harassment goes, this isn't it. Harassment is when you say or do something with the deliberate intention to cause distress to someone.
No-one directly involved in this would have been aware of anything he wrote.

Just in case I haven't made it entirely clear. I find it absolutely disgusting that he was put in jail.

Morals are subjective, and the law should not ever get involved in such a thing.
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Old 10-08-2012, 07:33 PM   #51
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Old 10-08-2012, 07:35 PM   #52
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Now as far as my knowledge on harassment goes, this isn't it. Harassment is when you say or do something with the deliberate intention to cause distress to someone.

you can recklessly harass someone.

the protection from harassment act states that a person should not pursue a course of action which he knows amounts to harassment or ought to know amounts to harassment.

It later goes on to state that 'harassment' includes alarming someone or causing distress to someone.

It also has to be more than one incident.

Not going to comment on the rest of your post, because I don't know whether it's true, but if it plays out like you said, then it is ridiculous.
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Old 10-08-2012, 07:37 PM   #53
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So you condone vigilantism?

So you condone tyranny?
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Yes. Because I am the bat man.
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Old 10-08-2012, 07:39 PM   #55
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Old 10-08-2012, 07:44 PM   #56
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I do not live in a tyrannical state. Were I to, I would not live in a tyrannical state much longer.

You may not live in a tyrannical state, but that is very much a tyrannical act, and you seem to be okay with it.
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Old 10-08-2012, 07:51 PM   #57
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Guy's a dick. He knew the law and flouted it for stupid reasons. I can't back a cause I can't approve of. This isn't like other freedom of speech issues.


Is there some article or video I'm not privy to? How do you know he knew?

The guy definitely doesn't deserve time for copying and pasting jokes from sickipedia on his wall, even if he knew it was against the law.

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Guy's a dick. He knew the law and flouted it for stupid reasons. I can't back a cause I can't approve of. This isn't like other freedom of speech issues.


What laws?
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Old 10-08-2012, 07:55 PM   #59
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Am i the only person who wants to know what he said?

It is crazy that he has been arrested for it, but what he said must have been pretty horrible, judging by the reaction.
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Am i the only person who wants to know what he said?

It is crazy that he has been arrested for it, but what he said must have been pretty horrible, judging by the reaction.


It doesn't matter what he said. As long as he's not threatening anybody, he should never have even been a concern of his Facebook friends.

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