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No point to shoehorn any brand into one niche. A lot of their amps are high gain, but that doesn't mean that can't handle other stuff. I assume in this instance you're referring to the vyper. Being a modeling amp it shouldn't have any trouble with any genre, really.
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10-10-2012, 12:58 AM
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Yeah thats true but just wanted to make sure... And the other thing is wouldn't a 60W tube amp be super loud for home use??
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10-10-2012, 12:59 AM
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It'll always sound better cranked, but despite popular beliefs you can run a tube amp pretty soft and get some usable sounds. I run my 100 watt ENGL at whisper volumes.
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10-10-2012, 01:10 AM
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I'd listen to cathbard, I believe the Excelsior is a pretty fine choice with a nice boost like he also suggested.
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Yeah, if you crank it, but you don't have to. Remember, amps have volume knobs for a reason. Test the amp independent of its wattage. If it does the sound you want at the volume you want, its the amp for you, who gives a **** if its 1 watt or 1000 watts? Quote:
I honestly think there are a lot of amps that can do an approximation of Santana's tone, the Excelsior included. I liked the Excelsior I tried, and I think with a nice OD pedal it could do some decent santana. I will say that it isn't nearly as versatile as a vyper 60. In the end, its up to you TS, try out some amps and see what you like.
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10-10-2012, 01:26 AM
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About the Vypyr 60, I've heard it sounds damn well with low volume!
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10-10-2012, 04:14 AM
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Yeah I'm aware of the volume knobs on the amps. But the thing I meant was that most people suggest to crank up tube amps to get the best out of it, like I mentioned in the previous posts... So the thing I was actually questioning was if I can get a good sound without cranking up. Some people say its possible some say its still not as good. |
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10-10-2012, 04:42 AM
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For Santana you have to push the preamp hard, you don't really want power amp distortion, well not a lot. That means you don't have to run them loud. You drive the input harder, not the output. That's how you make a Fender sound like a Mesa - boost the shit out of the front end. So as much signal as you can throw at it.
I suggested a Timmy but any basically flat, clean boost will do the trick. An MXR 10 band EQ is a fine way to do it because it can generate quite high signals. You can use a tubescreamer running clean but you have to boost the bass a bit on the amp to compensate. The other thing that helps trick your ears into thinking it's a Mark 1 Mesa is to run a compressor. Here's why; the boost in the front end of a Mesa (that stops it being a Princeton preamp) is tube driven and you're clipping the bejeezus outa it. That is a form of compression in itself and being tube driven it has a soft knee - like a compressor pedal. I use a Boss compressor (Roland GP-8) but I also have an amp that is doing much the same on the third channel - a tube boost. So I don't need much compression to Mesa it up. There are lots of nice compressors out there, I just use the Roland one because it's there in my rack already.
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