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Old 10-09-2012, 09:50 PM   #21
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I thought peaveys were mostly for metal or hard rock


No point to shoehorn any brand into one niche. A lot of their amps are high gain, but that doesn't mean that can't handle other stuff. I assume in this instance you're referring to the vyper. Being a modeling amp it shouldn't have any trouble with any genre, really.
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Old 10-10-2012, 12:58 AM   #22
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Yeah thats true but just wanted to make sure... And the other thing is wouldn't a 60W tube amp be super loud for home use??
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Old 10-10-2012, 12:59 AM   #23
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It'll always sound better cranked, but despite popular beliefs you can run a tube amp pretty soft and get some usable sounds. I run my 100 watt ENGL at whisper volumes.
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I'd listen to cathbard, I believe the Excelsior is a pretty fine choice with a nice boost like he also suggested.
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Old 10-10-2012, 01:21 AM   #25
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Yeah thats true but just wanted to make sure... And the other thing is wouldn't a 60W tube amp be super loud for home use??


Yeah, if you crank it, but you don't have to. Remember, amps have volume knobs for a reason. Test the amp independent of its wattage. If it does the sound you want at the volume you want, its the amp for you, who gives a **** if its 1 watt or 1000 watts?

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I'd listen to cathbard, I believe the Excelsior is a pretty fine choice with a nice boost like he also suggested.


I honestly think there are a lot of amps that can do an approximation of Santana's tone, the Excelsior included.

I liked the Excelsior I tried, and I think with a nice OD pedal it could do some decent santana. I will say that it isn't nearly as versatile as a vyper 60.

In the end, its up to you TS, try out some amps and see what you like.
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About the Vypyr 60, I've heard it sounds damn well with low volume!
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Old 10-10-2012, 04:14 AM   #27
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Yeah, if you crank it, but you don't have to. Remember, amps have volume knobs for a reason. Test the amp independent of its wattage. If it does the sound you want at the volume you want, its the amp for you, who gives a **** if its 1 watt or 1000 watts?



I honestly think there are a lot of amps that can do an approximation of Santana's tone, the Excelsior included.

I liked the Excelsior I tried, and I think with a nice OD pedal it could do some decent santana. I will say that it isn't nearly as versatile as a vyper 60.

In the end, its up to you TS, try out some amps and see what you like.


Yeah I'm aware of the volume knobs on the amps. But the thing I meant was that most people suggest to crank up tube amps to get the best out of it, like I mentioned in the previous posts... So the thing I was actually questioning was if I can get a good sound without cranking up. Some people say its possible some say its still not as good.
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Old 10-10-2012, 04:42 AM   #28
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For Santana you have to push the preamp hard, you don't really want power amp distortion, well not a lot. That means you don't have to run them loud. You drive the input harder, not the output. That's how you make a Fender sound like a Mesa - boost the shit out of the front end. So as much signal as you can throw at it.
I suggested a Timmy but any basically flat, clean boost will do the trick. An MXR 10 band EQ is a fine way to do it because it can generate quite high signals. You can use a tubescreamer running clean but you have to boost the bass a bit on the amp to compensate.

The other thing that helps trick your ears into thinking it's a Mark 1 Mesa is to run a compressor. Here's why; the boost in the front end of a Mesa (that stops it being a Princeton preamp) is tube driven and you're clipping the bejeezus outa it. That is a form of compression in itself and being tube driven it has a soft knee - like a compressor pedal.
I use a Boss compressor (Roland GP-8) but I also have an amp that is doing much the same on the third channel - a tube boost. So I don't need much compression to Mesa it up. There are lots of nice compressors out there, I just use the Roland one because it's there in my rack already.
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