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Old 10-10-2012, 05:50 PM   #1
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Hello Pitgoers,

I finally got my diploma (BSc today) after having ordered it in June (they wanted to wait till enough were done with it or something), and I noticed that on my grade list they also note what the Dutch grade equivalent would be in international grades.

In the Netherlands it's a 10 point grading scheme, if you do 10% wrong you get a 9 etc. Now it appears that what is for us an 8 or even a 7.5, is still an A for the USA. Now I always thought that A's were like great grades in the USA, but this is nothing more than decent. Wikipedia says that an A+ is an 8.5 in the Dutch grading scheme.

So I find it very strange that you can do 15% wrong and still get the highest grade available Do you people think that the USA grading scheme is flawed in that sense?

edit: Also bitch about your countries grading scheme.

Editedit. Never mind. My basic assumption was that the American exams were at the same level. They are much easier. that's why the system is like it is.

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Old 10-10-2012, 05:54 PM   #2
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It depends on the difficulty of the examination method.
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Any New Zealanders in the house? Fucking NCEA. Worst grading system ever.
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Old 10-10-2012, 05:56 PM   #4
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It depends on the difficulty of the examination method.


Lets say all universities have (approximately) the same level. Than in the USA you can't distinguish between someone who is not good, but a very hard worker and someone who is a genius.
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Old 10-10-2012, 05:56 PM   #5
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Hello Pitgoers,

I finally got my diploma (BSc today) after having ordered it in June (they wanted to wait till enough were done with it or something), and I noticed that on my grade list they also note what the Dutch grade equivalent would be in international grades.

In the Netherlands it's a 10 point grading scheme, if you do 10% wrong you get a 9 etc. Now it appears that what is for us an 8 or even a 7.5, is still an A for the USA. Now I always thought that A's were like great grades in the USA, but this is nothing more than decent. Wikipedia says that an A+ is an 8.5 in the Dutch grading scheme.

So I find it very strange that you can do 15% wrong and still get the highest grade available Do you people think that the USA grading scheme is flawed in that sense?

At my college a 90% or higher is an A. 75% would be a C. So...not sure what you're talking about.
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Old 10-10-2012, 05:57 PM   #6
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At my college a 90% or higher is an A. 75% would be a C. So...not sure what you're talking about.


I'm talking about what international organisations think that is happening at USA schools.
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Old 10-10-2012, 05:57 PM   #7
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I've never heard of an 85 being an A

It's usually;

98-100 = A+
93-97 = A
90-92 = A-

Or something like that. Those numbers might be a little off, but usually an A is a 90 or above.
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Old 10-10-2012, 05:59 PM   #8
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I've never heard of an 85 being an A

It's usually;

98-100 = A+
93-97 = A
90-92 = A-

Or something like that. Those numbers might be a little off, but usually an A is a 90 or above.


How is the 98-100 calculated? Is it 2 mistakes or is it best 2% of the people?
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Old 10-10-2012, 06:01 PM   #9
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I'm talking about what international organisations think that is happening at USA schools.

My failure to be an international organization has finally turned against me.
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My failure to be an international organization has finally turned against me.

No seriously, it confused me and at the same time made me feel better about myself.
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Old 10-10-2012, 06:04 PM   #11
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How is the 98-100 calculated? Is it 2 mistakes or is it best 2% of the people?



We generally don't have curved grades here. Questions/assignments/tests are given points and the points you get out of total points will give you your grade.
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at my high school in BC, Canada, it went like this..
90-100 = A+
85-89.99 = A
80-84.00 = A-
76-79.99 = B+
72-75.99 = B
68-71.99 = B-
64-67.99 = C+
60-63.99 = C
55-59.99 = C-
50-54.99 = D
0-49.99 = I (Incomplete/Temporary); usually given at midterm to show youre failing, but with a chance to turn it around/fix it
0-49.99 = F (Fail), given at the end of the term/semester/whatever if you were unable to turn your I around
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We generally don't have curved grades here. Questions/assignments/tests are given points and the points you get out of total points will give you your grade.

Yeah, that's what I thought. But then why would an 8 average in the Netherlands count as an A when applying for an American university?
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Yeah, that's what I thought. But then why would an 8 average in the Netherlands count as an A when applying for an American university?



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It's up to the school district in the US. In mine 92-100% is an A, 82-90 is a B and so on. A district right by me is 94-100 = A, sounds awful.
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I'm confused. My school works on total points (how many you got over total points for all assignments). There are no A+'s here. In high school it was the same way. The only curved grading I've ever had was when I took the SATs.

We use:
A is 93+
A- = 92-90
B+ = 89-87
B = 86-84
B- = 83-80
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It's up to the school district in the US. In mine 92-100 is an A, 82-90 is a B and so on. A district right by me is 94-100 = A, that would be awful.

Apparently in the research they took that into account and tried to correct for "simple" exams and got those grades out.
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Old 10-10-2012, 06:14 PM   #20
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The opposite situation happened when I applied to attend a Japanese University. On their scale an A counted as an S, and a B also counted as an S. So my GPA went from a 3.2 to a 3.8 just because of some weird grade conversion.

In the US in general, 90%+ is an A, and we do not usually grade on a curve.
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