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Old 10-12-2012, 08:37 PM   #61
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How exactly is he a moron? He's saying that extremist Muslims should have no power over the western world, which I strongly agree with. The fact that people refrain from showing pictures of Muhammed out of fear due to extremist attacks shows that the terrorist tactics of the extremists are working. We cannot allow this to happen. I don't care if the extremists are muslim, christian or jewish, free speech encompasses all forms of expression, and there exists no right to not be offended anywhere in the western world. I agree with most of the things he says.

This pretty much.


I didn't watch the video cause I don't really care all that much, but if this is what he's saying then all the more power to him. Killing people over cartoons and films is stupid, and it doesn't make people take you seriously. Terrorizing people into "respecting" your religion isn't the same as them actually having respect for you, and nothing in this world goes by without being criticized, not even Islam.
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Old 10-12-2012, 08:38 PM   #62
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Well, then by "jewish law" i'm jewish.
Even though i'm an atheist, i'm considered to be jewish in Israel.
And i think it's just stupid.

You know in Israel there's a 'rumor' that Hitler's mom was jewish, and because of that Hitler was jewish.
And that's just so fucking ******ed!!!
Judaism is just a faith, just like Islam, just like Christianity.

It's not a race, it's not in your genes, it's a fucking religion.




And race is only the pigment of your skin and/or what part of the planet you were born on(go ahead and disagree, there's minute differences in average height, body type, muscular build...)

I agree with what you said though, It does seem stupid.
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Old 10-12-2012, 08:38 PM   #63
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Old 10-12-2012, 08:40 PM   #64
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And race is only the pigment of your skin and/or what part of the planet you were born on(go ahead and disagree, there's minute differences in average height, body type, muscular build...)

I agree with what you said though, It does seem stupid.


And it's also a factor beyond your control, and is irrelevant to matters of ethics.

Beliefs, however, can be wrong, dangerous, and abhorrent, and people can and should be criticized for holding them if it can be reasonably argued that the beliefs are the aforementioned.
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Old 10-12-2012, 08:42 PM   #65
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I dont think he actually believes that every single muslim is an extremist, he's just using hyperboly to drive his point home. At least, that's my personal interpretation, I could also be wrong. He might actually hate all muslims everywhere, I dunno. Maybe you could ask him what exactly he means when he says "that religion"?



Well, even past "that religion" he says "muslims" and "people who follow that religion"

It's hard to imagine he means only the extremists.



And I know you think he just means the extremists, Otherwise, I doubt you'd agree with him. If I knew he was only talking about extremists, I'd to an extent agree with him as well (on a few select points). But he never makes that differentiation.


I'd love to ask him, but i'm not keen enough
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And it's also a factor beyond your control, and is irrelevant to matters of ethics.

Beliefs, however, can be wrong, dangerous, and abhorrent, and people can and should be criticized for holding them if it can be reasonably argued that the beliefs are the aforementioned.


Thank you. You just saved me typing all that myself
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I noticed... While most organised religions generally have a lot of problems. This guy is just blatantly racist.

If I saw him on the street, I would beat the shit out of him. I can't ****ing stand racists.

HA

HA HA

You show intolerance to people who show intolerance! How unhypocritical!

I didn't see him saying to beat the shit out of muslims.
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And it's also a factor beyond your control, and is irrelevant to matters of ethics.

Beliefs, however, can be wrong, dangerous, and abhorrent, and people can and should be criticized for holding them if it can be reasonably argued that the beliefs are the aforementioned.




as far as extremists are concerned it's beyond control as well. the only difference is they can't prove it. I don't know why they are so hell bent on religion... but they are.



as far as the second bit, I agree %100 and I don't think i've said otherwise.. But you still can't put yourself above that person and put them down for having that belief, regardless of how they act.

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HA HA

You show intolerance to people who show intolerance! How unhypocritical!

I didn't see him saying to beat the shit out of muslims.



You're right, The only people that I wholeheartedly and fully judge, flat out. Are racists, And (as I've learnt from this thread)whatever the equivalent term for religion is.
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as far as extremists are concerned it's beyond control as well. the only difference is they can't prove it. I don't know why they are so hell bent on religion... but they are.



They've been brain washed from childhood. Simple as that.
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as far as extremists are concerned it's beyond control as well. the only difference is they can't prove it. I don't know why they are so hell bent on religion... but they are.


I don't quite understand what you're saying here.

Are you saying extremists, even if they have no choice about it, should be afforded the same social protection from criticism of their actions as racial minorities for their appearance?
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as far as the second bit, I agree %100 and I don't think i've said otherwise.. But you still can't put yourself above that person and put them down for having that belief, regardless of how they act.


Okay, so I have no right to think I'm above people who torture, rape, murder and stuff children. Gotcha.

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You're right, The only people that I wholeheartedly and fully judge, flat out. Are racists, And (as I've learnt from this thread)whatever the equivalent term for religion is.


What if they're racist because of their 'faith'? You said in the very same post that you wouldn't condemn anyone or hold yourself above anyone, regardless of how ****ed up they could act as a result of their faith.

So, why should you be able to judge racists at all?

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Old 10-12-2012, 08:52 PM   #72
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It's funny when he said, "the religion of constant offence," I thought he was going to start on a rant about Christianity.
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Old 10-12-2012, 08:58 PM   #73
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He makes a lot of good points.

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I don't quite understand what you're saying here.

Are you saying extremists, even if they have no choice about it, should be afforded the same social protection from criticism of their actions as racial minorities for their appearance?

No..................
not protection.

I'm saying...think if you strictly believed something, something ridiculous. like that honey should be eaten with every meal. no matter what. and you wholeheartedly believed that every single person in the world should as well.

Would I have the right to say I'm better than you because of it?

Sure, If you started breaking into houses and stealing everyones food leaving them with nothing but honey, I'd say you're doing something wrong. and that you should be dealt with. I don't know, I havn't slept in 30 something hours. it's difficult to explain what I mean right now.

EDIT: ALSO, WHEN THE **** DID I SAY CRITICISM WAS BAD? I'VE BEEN SAYING ALL ALONG I ENCOURAGE IT....
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Okay, so I have no right to think I'm above people who torture, rape, murder and stuff children. Gotcha.


exactly. It's wrong, Of course it's wrong. but they are no less human than you. they(should) still have the right to live, and breathe. they aren't exempt from the law. from What I understand, people that do that generally lack empathy. that's a problem, a problem that would need therapy or rehabilitation, Or imprisonment.... I don't know where i'm going with this...



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What if they're racist because of their 'faith'? You said in the very same post that you wouldn't condemn anyone or hold yourself above anyone, regardless of how ****ed up they could act as a result of their faith.

So, why should you be able to judge racists at all?



I'm not perfect.

Racists are the absolute scum of the planet, regardless of why they are racists. Do I deserve life more than a racist? no.


I never said what people do in the name of faith is justified, Just that it's wrong to say you're better than them because of it.

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Will I judge the **** out of them? yes.


as far as I know, judging someone doesn't mean you think you're better than them.


for instance, Judging by the way my mum dresses. I'd like to think she really likes to dance.
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^ I merely assumed. Surprisingly I'm a bit off.



Disappointed. I was genuinely curious
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Epic rant. I'd buy him a beer.
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Epic rant. I'd buy him a beer.


I have to admit, despite disagreeing with pretty much the whole thing, he was a good speaker.
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Okay, but where I'm confused is you talking about their right to live.

I've argued against the death penalty for such individuals, I think they have a right to life, who has said otherwise?

Nobody has said go out and kill them all for believing something.
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