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Old 10-18-2012, 03:27 PM   #1
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Question about atonality and its usefulness

While making a guitar practice schedule (which is based on the styles I want to play) I came across this thing called atonal melody. It appeared in an article about J-rock. After doing some search is seems atonality is a piece without a tonal centre. So is this like mindless chromatic shredding? How can I imagine/play atonal melodies? Should I practice it? Is it useful?

A response to this weird phenomenon would be appreciated.
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Old 10-18-2012, 03:28 PM   #2
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So is this like mindless chromatic shredding?

That's certainly one approach.
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Old 10-18-2012, 03:28 PM   #3
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How can I imagine/play atonal melodies? Should I practice it? Is it useful?

Probably not.
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Old 10-18-2012, 03:36 PM   #4
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Outside of a horror movie soundtrack, I see little use for it. Have you ever listened to atonal music before? Shit's unnerving as hell to me.
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Old 10-18-2012, 03:39 PM   #5
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It appeared in an article about J-rock.


I can't believe no-one picked up on this part yet.

Anyway, knowing how to craft atonal music probably isn't a useful skill unless you're interested in contemporary classical music.
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Old 10-18-2012, 03:51 PM   #6
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How can I imagine/play atonal melodies? Should I practice it? Is it useful?

I suppose you could try transcribing some lol
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Old 10-18-2012, 03:52 PM   #7
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Outside of a horror movie soundtrack,



Also J-Rock + atonal, wtf?

Don't even bother.
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Old 10-18-2012, 03:57 PM   #8
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↑ I'll claim ignorance on my part. Everything I've ever been shown to be atonal gives me such an anxious feeling. If you have an example that doesn't then I will gladly recant my statement.
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Old 10-18-2012, 04:10 PM   #9
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↑ I'll claim ignorance on my part. Everything I've ever been shown to be atonal gives me such an anxious feeling. If you have an example that doesn't then I will gladly recant my statement.

I don't really care about the bit about it unnerving you, how you respond to music is your business. I just hate when people can only relate to contemporary classical music by saying it's like a horror movie.

But...


I don't find (the first few minutes at least) of this particularly unnerving. You might though.

That ****ing picture doesn't help my case...
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it's not mindless shredding. i think it can be really beautiful and can evoke certain emotions 'tonal' music can't. it is a bit harder to get into, but i think that's a western culture thing. i love fooling around atonaly.

and saying things like 'there's no use for it outside horror movies' is dumb i think. a musician might find that atonal music is what works best for him. and music has no practical use anyway.
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Hey, it's just my opinion, no reason to get all testy guys. Music is subjective, and I'm subject to believe that atonal's nature creates an anxious and dreadful vibe like one would find in horror movies. I don't mean it to be dismissive, that's just the mood it creates when I hear it. If that's what you want to go for with your own music then that's your deal. Different strokes. Usefulness is also a subjective term as well.
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I don't really care about the bit about it unnerving you, how you respond to music is your business.

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Old 10-18-2012, 07:25 PM   #13
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Ah, Berg.

Or as I call him, Webern's dim-witted sidekick.
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Ah, Berg.

Or as I call him, better than Webern.
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↑ I'll claim ignorance on my part. Everything I've ever been shown to be atonal gives me such an anxious feeling. If you have an example that doesn't then I will gladly recant my statement.




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I meant that more towards cubs for calling my opinion dumb, but it doesn't really matter. I can agree to disagree, and will leave this thread alone after this post.

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I don't find it scary per sť, just unsettling because it never resolves to anything. Not really something I care to sit down and have a cup of coffee listening to is all I'm trying to say.

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I don't find it scary per sť, just unsettling because it never resolves to anything. Not really something I care to sit down and have a cup of coffee listening to is all I'm trying to say.

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it's an acquired taste
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18 Posts into a thread about atonality and not one mention of Schoenburg? My, my, my.
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18 Posts into a thread about atonality and not one mention of Schoenburg? My, my, my.

There are a lot of composers shown here that are from the 2nd Viennese School, aka Schoenberg.
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