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I think Michael Jackson wrote some of (or all) the music for Sonic The Hedgehog 3 6 40.00%
I think the same musicians who help write Michael Jackson's songs wrote SH3, not Jackson himself 1 6.67%
I'm not sure, but there definitely is some valid points and evidence he did 3 20.00%
I'm not sure, but I don't find the evidence very convincing 3 20.00%
I don't think he did it, nor do I think the same studio musicians who help him write did it 2 13.33%
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Old 10-19-2012, 11:49 PM   #1
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Michael Jackson and Sonic The Hedgehog 3

Some of you guys might have heard about this. There's some evidence to suggest Michael Jackson wrote the music in Sonic The Hedgehog 3. The belief is that he wrote the music for Sonic The Hedgehog 3 during development, but he got removed from the credits because in 1993, he had the child molestation lawsuits, and the game was released 1994, so they took his name out of the credits.

The strongest example I think is the Credits from Sonic The Hedgehog 3 and the song "Stranger in Moscow." Here's the credits:



The track uses the chord progression E, D, G, A (all major chords), which isn't a purely diatonic progression, but I've still heard it used in many other songs (and it always seems to be in E). Just a few off the top of my head are "Halcyon On and On" by Orbital, "Starship Trooper (disillusion)" by YES, "Echus" by Boards Of Canada, and I heard a Miley Cyrus song (not sure which one) that uses it.

However, if you compare the section that starts at 00:37 in the Sonic credits to "Stranger In Moscow" at 01:29, there's a pretty damn striking similarity that I think is definitely eyebrow-raising.




These are some more examples.



The Carnival Night Zone has a pretty striking resemblance. The "Who Is It?" isn't the strongest case. The third example in the video is a stupid one, I think and not worth mentioning.


Also it's worth mentioning that some of these songs like "Stranger In Moscow" came out AFTER Sonic The Hedgehog 3, so it's not like they could have just ripped off MJ while writing the credits. Also, I've looked into it, and there are no other writers or composers listed for these songs. It appears that Michael wrote both the words and Music for "Stranger In Moscow" which I was kind of impressed by. Nowhere does it mention any other musician. But nowadays that still might mean much.

Anyways, what do you guys think?
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Old 10-19-2012, 11:53 PM   #2
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It might be hard to ask him now, But did he ever mention it or was he ever asked?
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It might be hard to ask him now, But did he ever mention it or was he ever asked?
Not to my knowledge, but he might have been asked by Sega back when the whole thing was going not to talk about it.
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Old 10-20-2012, 12:15 AM   #5
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Not to my knowledge, but he might have been asked by Sega back when the whole thing was going not to talk about it.



fair enough, I'd have been offended. but everyone's different.


I guess we will never know
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Old 10-20-2012, 12:17 AM   #7
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I love the Ice Cap zone song. I used to sing random lyrics over that song when I would play sonic when I was a kid.
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Obvious answer Jackson molested a kid while playing sonic 3 thought it was brilliant and stole it.
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I watched some videos on this before, it's very interesting to me. I loved the music in Sonic 3.
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Found the answer

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sonic_...27s_involvement

According to Brad Buxer (who worked on the music in Sonic 3) MJ was involved at some point with some of the compositions unofficially.
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Old 10-20-2012, 03:04 AM   #12
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Wait, this isn't general gaming knowledge?
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Old 10-20-2012, 06:08 AM   #13
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He was invovled but he got increasingly annoyed with the Genesis' sound chip because he didn't realise the limitations of it before he began writing music.

Can't remember where I read that though.
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http://info.sonicretro.org/Michael_...nt_with_Sonic_3

^There's a better link with more relevant information than wiki with a physical example of Carnival Night towards the middle of the page.

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You can't exclude someone's name off the credits just because they are suspected of being child molesters. Not a lawyer, but doesn't sound legal.
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Anybody remember the episode of The Simpsons with the guy who thought he was Michael Jackson? Michael Jackson actually did the voice of the character but used a pseudonym, while also having an impersonator sing the songs instead of himself. Why? Because he thought it was funny. MJ was a weird dude.
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You can't exclude someone's name off the credits just because they are suspected of being child molesters. Not a lawyer, but doesn't sound legal.

Yes you can. Credits is not a legal tender. It's possible that a contract may demand credit acknowledgment, but those often have clauses that void the terms under certain condition (like if you're a child molester). Furthermore, people are left off of credits all the time. In the music department especially, there are often many ghostwriters and technicians who write and produce the majority of the music and yet they will not be credited, only the executive composer and music supervisors.

Anyways, TS, this is an all time low for you. SMH.
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I always read that he was involved but remained uncredited because he was not impressed or not proud with the end product.

^ Yeah, they can strike your name off the credits, but with a big name like Michael Jackson a credit was probably in the initial contract. Interestingly, credits in video games are a relatively new thing, it used to be the dev studio and the publisher alone who would get mention because space was at a premium and studios preferred their dev team remain anonymous so that other people wouldn't try to snatch them up (There are cultural reasons too, but we'll let them slide). The game Adventure for the Atari 2600 actually featured an easter egg where you could see who programmed the game. Atari, understandably, was rather pissed with a Mr. Warren Robinett. Eventually, with 8-bit gaming there was enough space for a credit roll, which is awesome... Unless the credit roll is unskippable and at the end of the game and turning off the game boy without letting it finish will start you at your last save just before you beat the Elite Four YOU BASTARDS WHO PROGRAMMED POKEMON.
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