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Old 10-20-2012, 10:59 AM   #81
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Mitt is dangerously socially conservative, which is funny given his religion allows him to marry like four women, which makes one question his mandate to criticise gay marriage's effect on the "sanctity of marriage".

I thought the Mormon church had a message from God that they should stop with all the polygamy about 2 days before it was made illegal?
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Old 10-20-2012, 11:05 AM   #82
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That's not what I meant. More like an equally speculative thread questioning Obama's character.
I hardly know anything about american politics.


So you don't see anything wrong with the rich presidential elect purchasing THE VERY MACHINES PEOPLE WILL BE VOTING ON?
Also, this could be an interesting point against the"I have a boner for the free-market that won't die" jackasses.
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Old 10-20-2012, 11:07 AM   #83
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Can someone explain to me how one can "own" voting machines? Isn't the government responsible for them? Or did the USA privatize their own ****ing elections too?
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Old 10-20-2012, 11:08 AM   #84
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Can someone explain to me how one can "own" voting machines? Isn't the government responsible for them? Or did the USA privatize their own ****ing elections too?

Private company HIG owns the voting machines. Romney, his son and wife own the majority share of HIG.
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Old 10-20-2012, 11:24 AM   #85
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Of course he's bought them in Ohio.

This is ****ign ridiculous and I can't believe it's even been allowed to happen.

Here's a problem that I see in the US. People despise their opposing party(dems vs repubs generally) so much that they would turn a blind eye to their party's candidate cheating in an election. Obviously, this doesn't mean everyone is like that, but I wholeheartedly believe that the majority of republicans would much rather have a republican steal the election than allow a democrat to take office.

It's no secret that the people of this country are their own worst enemy. This is why a network like Fox News can have so many viewers while spewing such bullshit.

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Old 10-20-2012, 11:27 AM   #86
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Here's a problem that I see in the US. People despise their opposing party(dems vs repubs generally) so much that they would turn a blind eye to their party's candidate cheating in an election. Obviously, this doesn't mean everyone is like that, but I wholeheartedly believe that the majority of republicans would much rather have a republican steal the election than allow a democrat to take office.

It's no secret that the people of this country are their own worst enemy. This is why a network like Fox News can have so many viewers while spewing such bullshit.

I'm not saying you're lying, but I'm gonna try and push that idea out of my head to try and retain some sense of sanity. I don't even want to consider that that could be true.
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Old 10-20-2012, 11:29 AM   #87
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So this is how its going to go down,
1) Romney gets elected
2) He does something really stupid
3) ???
4) 2012 end of the world happens. JUST like those silly Mayans predicted.
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Old 10-20-2012, 11:39 AM   #88
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I'm not saying you're lying, but I'm gonna try and push that idea out of my head to try and retain some sense of sanity. I don't even want to consider that that could be true.

I can't really back my claims(except by saying look at Fox News' ratings), that's just the impression that I get from republicans.
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Old 10-20-2012, 11:40 AM   #89
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Private company HIG owns the voting machines. Romney, his son and wife own the majority share of HIG.

Are you ****in kidding me?? How is this even allowed?
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Old 10-20-2012, 11:43 AM   #90
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Are you ****in kidding me?? How is this even allowed?

Nope, read the article.

'Cause free market brah
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Old 10-20-2012, 11:52 AM   #91
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So this is how its going to go down,
1) Romney gets elected
2) He does something really stupid
3) ???
4) 2012 end of the world happens. JUST like those silly Mayans predicted.

Actually, those "silly Mayans" have everything running in cycles. The end of their calendar is also the beginning. See, their calendar is literally a circle. When you get to the "end", you go back to the "beginning". That's how it works.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Maya_c...oncepts_of_time
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Old 10-20-2012, 03:51 PM   #92
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So this is how its going to go down,
1) Romney gets elected
2) He does something really stupid
3) ???
4) 2012 end of the world happens. JUST like those silly Mayans predicted.


Even if he does get elected, he won't get inaugurated to be the actual president until 2013. So if someone does something really stupid to cause the end of all times, it would most likely be Obama (if the president is the that cause it, that is.)

I hate that I can't even vote until next election. If I could, I would vote for Obama. I don't really think he's the best for the job (Gary Johnson is in my opinion) but Obama is objectively less shitty than Romney. But who knows, maybe this creepy fundamentalist asshole thing is just an act. Romney is known to flip-flop on issues just to win an election.
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Old 10-20-2012, 03:57 PM   #93
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Old 10-20-2012, 04:10 PM   #94
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I think we all know how much of a shit Romney is by now.
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Old 10-20-2012, 04:48 PM   #95
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1. a person who is active in party politics.
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Obama and Romney both fit this description.

I don't trust either of them.
The whole "Power corrupts; absolute power corrupts absolutely" thing.

It doesn't really matter a whole lot who you vote for.
They will ALL make promises to get into office and then ignore those promises for their own benefit.

I would personally like to hear from both candidates what income level they consider to be "Middle Class".
I consider Middle Class to be around $50,000 Yr. (Give or take a few thousand).
Maybe I'll make a thread/poll.
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Old 10-20-2012, 05:03 PM   #96
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Read as "vomiting machines" and thought I was in for an interesting discussion of Romney's messy plan for world domination.
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Old 10-20-2012, 05:12 PM   #97
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Well, as an American who is old enough to vote, i thank the flying spaghetti monster that you're not old enough or an American citizen. Obama has CONTINUED bush's wars, he has CONTINUED bush's illegal domestic surveillance operations (and EXPANDED them), CONTINUED bush's corporate bailouts, CONTINUED bush's idiotic subsidies for "green energy," CONTINUED bush's over regulation, labeled political dissenters as possible terrorists, used the FBI to instigate terror attacks so they can then foil them, killed an American citizen without due process, stormed into a friendly nation without warning, and levied tariffs on Chinese tires (oh yay, a trade war.... just what a country with a poor economy and a ridiculous debt needs)

on top of this, mr. compassion has also rounded up more mexican families and shipped them back south of the border than bush ever did, and he has ordered more raids on medical marijuana facilities in his one term than bush did in two terms.

I know what you're going to say... "but at least he's not bush." I hated Bush, but i would take my chances with a third bush term before i would take my chances with a second Obama term. So you give me a choice between Obama and Romney, I'll take my chances with Romney.


Most truth spoken here, but missing the point.

It doesn't matter who is president because no matter who it is, their decisions are made by the WTO.
Point being, we're all dead no matter what. Move to an island in the middle of the pacific if you want to be free.
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Old 10-20-2012, 05:13 PM   #98
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Are you ****in kidding me?? How is this even allowed?

Incredibly typical attempt to tactically and silently gain an unfair advantage.

There's probably tons of similar examples like this that have happened before.

Some chairman of the country's largest insurance company is the candidate's good long time friend. The guy hands over a company's power and ownership to his son, which happens to be a member of the senate or something. The VP of an arms company secretly guarantees stupid low prices on weapons to a higher-upper so that he may then gain popularity by waging his war and not putting his country into crushing amounts of debt, thus gaining favour. And the list goes on and on...

Six zillion instances of it happening in the world, six zillion different scenarios of it. That's six zillion times six zillion uniquely different types of secretive yet casual corruption. And oh yes, in your very own backyard in freedom land.

The world; welcome to it.

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Old 10-20-2012, 06:29 PM   #99
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I doubt this will have any impact on the election. The government would never let a private company simply tell them who won and end it there.

Of course if I'm wrong then this is a pretty big deal, but I highly doubt that there isn't some kind of system put in place to make sure rich people can't rig elections.
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Old 10-21-2012, 05:51 PM   #100
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I doubt this will have any impact on the election. The government would never let a private company simply tell them who won and end it there.

Of course if I'm wrong then this is a pretty big deal, but I highly doubt that there isn't some kind of system put in place to make sure rich people can't rig elections.


There's a system sure, but it doesn't always work.

Generally the failsafe is to count how many people actually voted versus how many votes the machine counts after the voting is done, because people think that ballot box stuffing is the thing we need to watch out for. The way around this is pre-loading machines with negative votes. Where you have one candidate start with something like -5 votes and the other with +5. Then, the machine says the total is zero, but one candidate already has a 10 vote lead.

We know at least some of this occurred in 2000.
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