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Old 10-20-2012, 11:54 AM   #21
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would that not just get the sound of the metal muff?


No. Or yes, somewhat. He is advising you to use it differently just like a lot of people are using Tubescreamers differently than what they were originally designed for. Take distortion/drive of of your metal muff COMPLETELY OFF so you dont get Metal Muffs preamp distortion (or use very little of it as spice), and instead use it as boost (volume/level all the way up) to make your amplifiers preamp work much harder to get more dirt, usually for much better results than just relying on your pedal doing the dirt-work.


Now, listening the link I personally like the sound as it is, but then again my favourite distortion sound of all time is oldschool swedish deathmetal distortion, which technically has everything wrong. The dirtier, nastier and grittier the better is my taste.
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Old 10-20-2012, 11:59 AM   #22
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No. Or yes, somewhat. He is advising you to use it differently just like a lot of people are using Tubescreamers differently than what they were originally designed for. Take distortion/drive of of your metal muff COMPLETELY OFF so you dont get Metal Muffs preamp distortion (or use very little of it as spice), and instead use it as boost (volume/level all the way up) to make your amplifiers preamp work much harder to get more dirt, usually for much better results than just relying on your pedal doing the dirt-work.


Now, listening the link I personally like the sound as it is, but then again my favourite distortion sound of all time is oldschool swedish deathmetal distortion, which technically has everything wrong. The dirtier, nastier and grittier the better is my taste.


What if the distortion control is broken? :L would taking the volume right down work?

My link or the youtube link?
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Old 10-20-2012, 12:10 PM   #23
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What if the distortion control is broken? :L would taking the volume right down work?

My link or the youtube link?



The facebook link.


About the other issue... No. Distortion controls your pedals preamp and volume controls the power amp and taking the latter down would just mute the signal. Volume cranked will keep your signal clean, just louder. We dont want your pedals preamp to distort, we want your amplifiers preamp (controlled by your amplifiers gain/drive knob) to distort more. Louder the signal received by preamp, earlier it distorts as you turn gain up and more distortion/gain you have at your disposal, in nutshell.
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Old 10-20-2012, 12:29 PM   #24
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What tubes are in the Blackstar?
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Old 10-20-2012, 12:45 PM   #25
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What tubes are in the Blackstar?


2x EL34, 2x ECC83 & 1x ECC82 valves
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Old 10-20-2012, 12:45 PM   #26
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No, have you replaced them from the stock tubes?
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Old 10-20-2012, 12:53 PM   #27
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No, have you replaced them from the stock tubes?


No, relatively new amp
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Old 10-20-2012, 12:54 PM   #28
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Replace the tubes with good ones. It will make everything sound better.

The HT60 should be able to metal easily on its own. Also, I don't know how it might sound to you, but the Metal Muff is a can of bees.
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Old 10-20-2012, 12:57 PM   #29
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Replace the tubes with good ones. It will make everything sound better.

The HT60 should be able to metal easily on its own. Also, I don't know how it might sound to you, but the Metal Muff is a can of bees.


Roughly how much would a new set of tubes be? For all of them?
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Old 10-20-2012, 01:03 PM   #30
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Around $70 for a full retube with JJs.
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Old 10-20-2012, 01:05 PM   #31
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Around $70 for a full retube with JJs.


Is the volume I'm playing at affecting the sound?
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Old 10-20-2012, 01:07 PM   #32
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It shouldn't that much. For most metal, you are just looking at preamp distortion, not power amp distortion.
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Old 10-20-2012, 01:12 PM   #33
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It shouldn't that much. For most metal, you are just looking at preamp distortion, not power amp distortion.


I don't know what it is :S it only gets a tiny bit heavier than a DS1
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Old 10-20-2012, 01:13 PM   #34
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Might be a faulty unit? That's weird. Maybe you're so used to the badass tone the Metal Muff gives you that everything else is obsolete
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Old 10-20-2012, 01:18 PM   #35
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Might be a faulty unit? That's weird. Maybe you're so used to the badass tone the Metal Muff gives you that everything else is obsolete


I doubt it :S
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Old 10-20-2012, 01:27 PM   #36
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Might be a faulty unit? That's weird. Maybe you're so used to the badass tone the Metal Muff gives you that everything else is obsolete


I doubt it :S
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Old 10-24-2012, 11:09 AM   #37
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Just reopening this thread a bit - could the fact that guy is getting such a heavy tone be down to the fact that he's using actives?
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Old 10-24-2012, 11:30 AM   #38
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I have the HT20 and the LTD with actives does have a different response but not that drastic. I normally crank the gain volume to around 2 oclock and then keep the gain around 12, then adjust the master volume to taste. Adjusting either master or gain volume alters the sound I am getting. Depends on what I am after, just play with the controls. In complarison the Agiles I play do get a great distortion out of them, one has alnico II's and the other 5's. I also use a Boss SD1 for an overdrive, and like stated earlier, roll the gain off and use the volume knob. I have never had a problem with any guitar getting into metal. Best of luck.
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Old 10-24-2012, 11:31 AM   #39
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Actives will naturally act as a slight boost due to their stronger signal.. But unless you have weak-sauce passives I doubt that is your problem

Just run a proper OD pedal as a booster and try messing with your EQ.

Forget the Muff, and if you can change out the stock tubes...do.
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Old 12-13-2012, 01:26 PM   #40
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I have the HT20 and the LTD with actives does have a different response but not that drastic. I normally crank the gain volume to around 2 oclock and then keep the gain around 12, then adjust the master volume to taste. Adjusting either master or gain volume alters the sound I am getting. Depends on what I am after, just play with the controls. In complarison the Agiles I play do get a great distortion out of them, one has alnico II's and the other 5's. I also use a Boss SD1 for an overdrive, and like stated earlier, roll the gain off and use the volume knob. I have never had a problem with any guitar getting into metal. Best of luck.


Just read this post :P
I've started (hate me) scooping the mids a bit, and turning the presence and resonance right up, that gives me a big metal tone... I tried other ones, but the scoop is the only one i can get to sound metal on that amp
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