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Old 10-25-2012, 11:50 AM   #1
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The Ultimate V Guitar: help me out

Hello everybody,

I've been playing guitar for the last 4 years, the last 2 with a Progressive Death/Thrash band from my hometown in Europe. I have an Ibanez RG321Ex, with mohogany body, 24frets, passive Infinity humbuckers and fixed bridge, with a Pod X3 Live and a two different amps (not relevant), and recently I decided that i wanted a new guitar, and that i wanted a very different guitar from the one i have. the specs i was look for are:
-24 frets
-active pickups
-i prefer mohogany or basswood for the body
-a GOOD floyd rose bridge
-V shaped body, not too edgy (for that, i would have gone after a Warrior, a Falchion, a Beast or a Warlock), but not soft like the Gibson Flying V.

Since in my band we play very different things, from acoustic, clean and melodic to dirty distorted sounds, spanning from lead to rythmic playing, i wanted a guitar that could deal with all these aspects. also, i wanted a guitar to last a lifetime, for i will not invest in a new guitar (thats why i call it the ultimate guitar). i came up with these 3 guitars and i wanted to ask which one would you choose, which one is better than the rest or with better cost-quality relation.

1 - dean razorback V/V-shaped dean


i loved Dean guitars since ever. that head stock is shear perfection and having a guitar designed by Dime...amazing. dean also has a lot of street cred, but this guitars can be hard to find (specially with the 24fret spec), are expensive and i fear it wont be cost-efficient.

2 - jackson demmelition king v/demmeltion PDX with set of active pickups

i'm really into MH, i love their sound, and i find this guitar really pretty. the original demmeltion has active pickups, but it might be too much for my budget, whereas the PDX may lack some quality and have active pickups (in this case, i would buy a set of active pickups), but the investment is lower, its easier to find and jackson does really neat guitars for metal.

3 - schecter jeff loomis jlv-7fr or jlv-6fr

jeff loomis is an amazing guitar player. having his signature V guitar with a 7th string, i felt could be a great deal, eventhough im not really that proficient and do not require a 7th string. but i find this guitar too expensive and too hard to find.

4 - Jackson KVMG Pro Series King V and Jackson KVMG QM Pro Series King V


i prefer the demmelition shape, but the specs are really what matter.


5 - BC Rich NJ JRV Deluxe (this one is for curiosity)

never been a fan, just wanted to know opinions. i've heard BC Rich has awful quality management, and im not up for a risky gamble

6 - DBZ Venom and DBZ Venom FM


i love the headstock, but the body just might be too much, still trying to decide. thoughts? i heard they're amazing guitars, great quality and not that costly (unlike the Dean ones)

7 - DBZ Caballo

unlike the previous one, this might be not enough metal.


my budget is around $1.300/1.000€ tops, i don't mind looking for 2nd handed guitars but, for an original one, i plan to send at least $700/450€, to ensure i can find a good quality guitar. I am open to suggesstions from other brands, as well as info about stores i can buy them, alternatives, advices, etc.

thanks and keep it metal

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Old 10-25-2012, 12:02 PM   #2
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the dean has the most points.
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Old 10-25-2012, 12:15 PM   #3
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I own a couple of Deans myself, and love them. But I suspect the Jackson will give you the most bang for the buck.
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Old 10-25-2012, 04:42 PM   #5
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Have a look at the DBZ Venom, has EMG 81/85's,OFR and is an out and out V with points and fancy headstock. Is really nice looking, plays fantastically and is in effect a Dean being as Zelinski who used to own Dean is responsible for it. Come in at good money and they aren't to bad at all.
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i loved Dean guitars since ever. that head stock is shear perfection and having a guitar designed by Dime...amazing. dean also has a lot of street cred, but this guitars can be hard to find (specially with the 24fret spec), are expensive and i fear it wont be cost-efficient.

...You have no idea do you?

The bolded part is the only part about Dean that is true. They are the most overpriced POS guitars ever imo. And there is absolutely nothing cool about having Dime's name on the headstock of your guitar, it just makes you look like a wannabe.
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Old 10-25-2012, 05:13 PM   #7
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Old 10-25-2012, 06:58 PM   #8
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I own a couple of Deans myself, and love them. But I suspect the Jackson will give you the most bang for the buck.

what do you like in your Dean guitars? can you compare them with other brands?

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Have a look at the DBZ Venom, has EMG 81/85's,OFR and is an out and out V with points and fancy headstock. Is really nice looking, plays fantastically and is in effect a Dean being as Zelinski who used to own Dean is responsible for it. Come in at good money and they aren't to bad at all.

im not really into the aestethics of the DBZ Venom, and the price seems to be over my budget; i will seem if i can find better deals. i know DBZ has great quality, Zelinski ensures that, and the headstock m,ight be even better looking than the Dime one. have you ever play one of these?

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They are the most overpriced POS guitars ever imo. And there is absolutely nothing cool about having Dime's name on the headstock of your guitar, it just makes you look like a wannabe.

why you say Dean guitars are POS? there seems to be a love/hate relation with Dean guitars, either you love them, either you hate them. why dont you like them?

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Used Loomis.

that was what i wanted the most. but you is going to sell a guitar like that?

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Old 10-25-2012, 07:25 PM   #9
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Schecters have bad resale value. If you can't find a Loomis, look for a 7 string Hellraiser on eBay. I've seen them as low as 350 bucks used.
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Old 10-25-2012, 07:31 PM   #10
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The dean looks like it has better upper fret access than the other two.
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why you say Dean guitars are POS? there seems to be a love/hate relation with Dean guitars, either you love them, either you hate them. why dont you like them?

Because they're stupidly overpriced. They charge more than most brands for the same features and yet they just don't do such a good job at installing such features. You spend over $1000 for a Dime sig Razorback and they don't even use Original Floyd Rose trems. They used licensed trems and even then, the old Jackson licensed trems are better. That's just one example. The high end pro series Jacksons cost a little over $1000 and were great MIJ guitars with better pickups, hardware and i've never heard of a single bad thing about them from anybody.

The non-USA made Dime guitars are poorly constructed too. I've heard stories about people taking apart an Explosion Razorback (one of the higher-end Korean Dime sigs) to find that there were knots in the 'mahogany' body and the body was made from 5 pieces. The pickups they use are crap (even the aftermarket Dimebuckers they choose to use suck) and they are all look freaking terrible. It wouldn't be so bad if they didn't have 'DIME' in massive letters on the headstocks, but they do and it makes each guitar look like a toy.

I'm sure that if you only play at home that wouldn't be such a big deal, but if you're doing gigs, having a Razorback or an ML just screams to people that you want to be like Dime. Its just not a good look.

If you want a V for $1000 with active pickups, I'd get a Gibson 68 Flying V and put EMG's in it or something. I'd rather not have a trem at all than one that doesn't work.
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those Loomis models are fantastic guitars.
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Old 10-25-2012, 08:40 PM   #13
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I got a Jackson RR24 for $425 this summer. It absolutely shits on every Dean guitar I've ever played. Get a Jackson.
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Schecters have bad resale value. If you can't find a Loomis, look for a 7 string Hellraiser on eBay. I've seen them as low as 350 bucks used.

thanks, didn't know that. its just a matter of opportunity, because im not looking for a 7string V guitar, but i the deal was good, i might consider it

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The dean looks like it has better upper fret access than the other two.

already tested the Demmelition PDX and no problem with the upper frets. the dean has the advantage to have only 22, with a shorter scale length

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Because they're stupidly overpriced. They charge (...)If you want a V for $1000 with active pickups, I'd get a Gibson 68 Flying V and put EMG's in it or something. I'd rather not have a trem at all than one that doesn't work.

thats something new to me, never heard anything like that Dean related.
i used to want a Gibson Flying V but the aesthetics doesn't do that much for me. and i agree with you, it the guitar is to have a tremolo bar, better make it a good one or keep with the fixed bridge.

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I got a Jackson RR24 for $425 this summer. It absolutely shits on every Dean guitar I've ever played. Get a Jackson.

have you ever played with a Dean or any other V shaped guitar (for comparison)? how's the tremolo on that Rhoads?

i'm doing some research, it seems to me i'll have to increase my list

EDIT: done adding new info

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Old 10-26-2012, 10:57 AM   #15
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The lack of BC Rich Draco is disturbing.
http://www.thomann.de/fi/bcrich_draco.htm
Unlike the guitars which you can use to impale someone the above guitar will impale you just from trying to play it. So much more metal! \m/
Just kidding.

Judging from the looks only I vote either Demmelition or Loomis. Both look amazing. Though I have to ask what makes you say DBZ is not metal enough?
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The lack of BC Rich Draco is disturbing.
http://www.thomann.de/fi/bcrich_draco.htm
Unlike the guitars which you can use to impale someone the above guitar will impale you just from trying to play it. So much more metal! \m/
Just kidding.

Judging from the looks only I vote either Demmelition or Loomis. Both look amazing. Though I have to ask what makes you say DBZ is not metal enough?

God, the Draco is so ugly... its just too much.

Both demmelition and loomis are expensive; what do you think about the Jackson Pro series? Also, whats your opinion about the Dean guitars?

the DBZ caballo isn't "metal" enough for me, i'd like the DBZ venom more, the looks are more what i'm aimng at.
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which one? which one of the jacksons has better quality-price relationship, IYO?
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The PRO series one. Not a fan of the Phil Demmel one.
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The lack of BC Rich Draco is disturbing.
http://www.thomann.de/fi/bcrich_draco.htm
Unlike the guitars which you can use to impale someone the above guitar will impale you just from trying to play it. So much more metal! \m/
Just kidding.

Judging from the looks only I vote either Demmelition or Loomis. Both look amazing. Though I have to ask what makes you say DBZ is not metal enough?


... Is this guy for real?
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