LIPCoelho

due to aesthetics or something else?

MaaZeus

If you think thats too much, google Moser Guitars.

No opinion about Dean as I've never played one myself. I'm a beginner so my experience with different guitars is quite limited. But judging from the looks the top Dean looks damn good but the red one just makes me ask that can you even play it sitting down without having those spikes pressing against your thigh?

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LIPCoelho

guy's just kidding... nobody from a non-Black Metal band ever bought a BC Rich Draco.

jeleopard

Partially

But the Pro King V KVMG has an ebony fret board and the trem is better. The Phil Demmel sports a Jackson LFR which is eh. The Pro has a Floyd Rose 2000.

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LIPCoelho

I know of Moser guitars, Ol Drake uses the Bastard V

Death metal is about pain, suffering, torture and death, if you feel it when you're writting death metal, it will be more realistic and brutal


i read that the original Demmelition (not the PDX) has also a FRT2000 also. thats the spec they have on their webside. but the PDX has a Jackson LFR which has to be weaker.
whats the big deal with ebony fretboards? do they make bending sound better?

MaaZeus

Good lord no! Even I can see when something is simply too much, thats why I putted it there.



And even though I am a black metalhead I still wouldnt touch Dracos with then foot pole.




Good point!

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LIPCoelho

i didnt say *EVERY* black metalhead bought Dracos

jeleopard

The USA Made Demmel is also very expensive.

Ebony feels nice (imo) and I THINK it makes your sound a tad bit brighter.

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LIPCoelho

i know, that's the biggest boner breaker for me about it

how about the DBZ Venom series? you know anything about it?

jeleopard

I've played one DBZ before and didn't like it. It was a super strat, but it just felt.... not fun, y'know?

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LIPCoelho

actually no xD i never played a DBZ. i know they're supposed to be mega awesome quality guitars, and they're not that expensive, but you mean not fun to play? how? bad sound? slow neck? bad access for upper frets? unbalanced weight?

jeleopard

Uncomfy, mostly

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LIPCoelho

while playing sat down? you play in a classical manner? from what i've seen and tried, some guitars are make to be played in a classical manner whistle others aren't that *picky*
sorry for spamming, i'm really just trying to get as much info as possible before i decide.

dannyalcatraz

My take on Deans & DBZs:

My first guitars were both Deans- a Special Select EVO and a Time Capsule Cadillac. They look good, they feel good, and the Caddy still sounds good. In fact, the Caddy stands up to several of my luthier-made guitars, and is still one of my main axes. The only problem I have had with the Caddy was a burr on its bridge, long since polished away.

The EVO suffers in that, as a midpriced guitar, its pickups are harsher than those in the Caddy or any of my luthier's guitars. Thus, I will be swapping its stock pickups for some Bareknuckles. Other than that issue, I have had nothing bad to say about it.

Below the $500 level, though, I wouldn't buy a Dean. There are too many other guitars that offer better value for money. I also am a bit leery of Dean's tremolos in general. But I don't play much trem- only one of my electrics has one (subject to change, of course)- so take my opinion on tremolos with a grain of salt.

DBZs continue Dean Z's legacy of delivering extremely playable guitars with a good sound and rock aesthetic. (I'm thinking of an Imperial or a Royale for myself.)

His newest company- Dean Zelinsky's Private Label Guitars- continues to innovate, but they don't seem to be aiming for metalheads at all, but more the sophisticated "elder statesman of rock" type aesthetic.

I also will not buy any signature models- save for possibly a Brian May Red Special- since those typically offer less value for money than is typical at a given price. You're largely paying for a name and a visual aesthetic, not anything that actually helps you sound better.

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J_W

Do not get the Dime V. When I was looking to get a guitar with a Floyd, my buddy let me take his home for a couple weeks. I hated playing that thing, I hated the trem, I hated everything about that guitar. It's just big and awkward and just felt plain bad to me. I have played a lot of guitars and this ranks among the worst I have played.

LIPCoelho

wow, thanks for the heads up. a good floyd rose system is really something that i want and im looking for; i dont want anything worse than good when it comes to that. how much did your Dime V cost? any suggestion V-wise?


1- i dont want to send $500, its too low of a price for what im aiming (unless its a ubber discount mega awesome deal, of course). im aiming for the level of $700-$1200 guitars for extra quality

2-regarding the DBZ, i dont think sophisticated "elder statesman of rock" would buy a Bird of Prey or a Venom, the latest being one of my possibilites, but thanks for the info

3-i agree with the sign thing, but the biggest drive for the Phil Demmel is the aesthetics, that i love, and the EMG60/81 PU. but i dont want to pay $1500 for one of those

im leaning more towards the Jackson Pro series and the DBZ Venom

Tom 1.0

Where are you based TS?

Tom 1.0

Where do you live?

TS = Thread Starter.

LIPCoelho

Portugal, EU.