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Old 05-04-2013, 08:41 PM   #1
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What does this symbol mean?

I've been given a Big Band chart - "High Maintenance" by Gordon Goodwins Big Phat Band. Here's the song if you haven't heard it before.



So I was following the notes it says to play, and either I can't find where the little riff is being played because I'm an idiot, or this symbol (the C with a bracket around the front) at the start of the piece means something that I'm ignorant of.

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Old 05-04-2013, 08:48 PM   #2
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Old 05-04-2013, 09:30 PM   #3
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^True say.

Here's an absolutely irrelevant factoid though. Although most people say the C stands for 'common time' (and at this point it's considered correct) the origins of the symbol actually go back a very long way. In medieval mensural notation the two triple meters were notated with some form of complete circle (3 is perfect because of the trinity) and the two duple meters were notated with a half circle (2 is not perfect). When the circle or half circle had a dot it was extra perfect, meaning that the beats were grouped into threes (full circle without a dot: three groups of two or 3/4; full circle with a dot: three groups of three or 9/8; half circle without a dot: two groups of two or 2/4; half circle with a dot: two groups of three or 6/8).

So the C really means "a meter that has two beats grouped into two."




But yeah, in real life that means 4/4 and if it had a line down the middle it would mean 2/2.
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Old 05-05-2013, 01:39 AM   #5
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^True say.

Here's an absolutely irrelevant factoid though. Although most people say the C stands for 'common time' (and at this point it's considered correct) the origins of the symbol actually go back a very long way. In medieval mensural notation the two triple meters were notated with some form of complete circle (3 is perfect because of the trinity) and the two duple meters were notated with a half circle (2 is not perfect). When the circle or half circle had a dot it was extra perfect, meaning that the beats were grouped into threes (full circle without a dot: three groups of two or 3/4; full circle with a dot: three groups of three or 9/8; half circle without a dot: two groups of two or 2/4; half circle with a dot: two groups of three or 6/8).

So the C really means "a meter that has two beats grouped into two."




But yeah, in real life that means 4/4 and if it had a line down the middle it would mean 2/2.


Everything he said here is correct, except for the word factoid. A factoid is actually something that is not true, but people it to be true due to repetition. So the current usage of factoid is, in of itself, a factoid. Sorry, but I couldn't resist.

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Everything he said here is correct, except for the word factoid. A factoid is actually something that is not true, but people it to be true due to repetition. So the current usage of factoid is, in of itself, a factoid. Sorry, but I couldn't resist.

a factoid is not untrue by definition, it's more accurately defined something that is unverified but accepted as true; using the word "factoid" does not rely on the information actually being incorrect

also, the term as he employed it is a commonly accepted colloquial usage
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now that the obvious is tackled

ts, do you understand swing time? it's really something that needs to be "felt"

also, the really obvious, the big black bar with 3 over it means 3 measures of rest
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^True say.

Here's an absolutely irrelevant factoid though. Although most people say the C stands for 'common time' (and at this point it's considered correct) the origins of the symbol actually go back a very long way. In medieval mensural notation the two triple meters were notated with some form of complete circle (3 is perfect because of the trinity) and the two duple meters were notated with a half circle (2 is not perfect). When the circle or half circle had a dot it was extra perfect, meaning that the beats were grouped into threes (full circle without a dot: three groups of two or 3/4; full circle with a dot: three groups of three or 9/8; half circle without a dot: two groups of two or 2/4; half circle with a dot: two groups of three or 6/8).

So the C really means "a meter that has two beats grouped into two."




But yeah, in real life that means 4/4 and if it had a line down the middle it would mean 2/2.


Good post. Awesome true factoid.
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Old 05-06-2013, 07:38 AM   #10
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Yeah yeah guys, I do understand swing time, I do know what "the big black bar" means I just didn't know what the C was!

Turns out that this chart was heavily altered from what Gordon Goodwins Big Band actually does, so all sick!

Great English lesson guys, bravo
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also, the term as he employed it is a commonly accepted colloquial usage



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