Unreal T

What would you call a minor triad with an added minor 6th interval? I never see it on chord charts or anything. I played it and it sounds pretty cool. For two beats you can play it and then for 2 beats change the minor 6th to the P5 to relieve it...sounds like it makes for a nice progression.

adamgur96

You mean a minor add13?

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DatAss

its a minor b13 chord, I wouldnt play the minor 6th together with the 5th from the minor triad tough

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Unreal T

Why? I thought 6th intervals were considered imperfect consonances.

J-Dawg158

It is from the root. From the 5th it creates a minor 2nd which is the most dissonant interval after the tritone.

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TK1

It would only be a minor b13 if there was a b7 present; this is just an add b13.

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xonty

Just a minor 6th I think?

Unreal T

I usually always think in terms of the root because that is the standard way to build chords and I usually always just hear the notes coming off the root. Like the m6 I just heard it as a m6 from the root.

If you are going to analyze it like that then would it make sense to analyze other chords in the same fashion. For example, analyzing the intervals off of other tones in the chord instead of the root? Like in a standard Gm7 bar chord you can analyze the intervals off of the minor 7th (F note) and find a major second (F on the D string to G on the high E string). So wouldn't that be a dissonance in the m7 chord?

mrkeka

But that's how you analyze chords... or at least how I do it. And any chord other than a triad is gonna have dissonances within it.

Just having a 7th is already having a dissonance.

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mdc

What you're doing here is treating it as a auxiliary note. It's just melodic decoration, and should be used just so.

You can also use it as an anticipation for another chord.

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J-Dawg158

That's the best way to do it because it cuts down on a lot of confusion, but there's some knowledge to be had from looking at the internal intervals of chords. Aside from the root, 3rd, 5th definition you can also think of triads as a stack of thirds. Root to 3rd obviously being a 3rd, but 3rd to 5th is also a 3rd interval, as is 5th to 7th(a 3rd interval.)

From this you can easily see why there are 4 types of triads. You have a major and minor 3rd interval and you're stacking 2 of them together so 2^2=4. they of course are: Major, Minor, Augmented, and Diminished. Add the 7th and its 2^3=8 so there are 8 distinctive 7th chords.



Yes, that's why 7th chords are usually described as having more "color" to them as opposed to triads, because of these internal dissonances. The key thing to take from this is that dissonance is not a bad thing, if used in the right context. It's just another tool for creating the mood or emotion you're trying to convey through sound. If you like the clash of the 5th and minor 6th then use it.



This you have to be careful with because you can confuse yourself in a hurry. You just have to remember that when looking at a different note of the chord it's just a reference point and that doesn't make it the new root of the chord or anything like that. It's one of those things you just have to wrap your mind around like why the ii chord of a major scale is spelled 1 - b3 - 5 instead of 2 - 4 - 6. The spelling is based off of the ii chord's own major scale as a reference. Just note that it can get complicated very fast.

But regardless it's always beneficial to come to understand not just the interaction of the notes of a chord with the tonic, but between all of the other notes as well.

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griffRG7321

It's a minor chord with melodic decoration.

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J-Dawg158

In all honesty though, where is all of this 13 stuff coming from? Why wouldn't it just be a Maj7 in first inversion?

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AeolianWolf

most likely, it's this:



second most likely, this:



if not those two, then it's a m(b6) chord.

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food1010

But then that would just be a major triad in first inversion.

Edit: Unless you're talking about a suspension or something, but then it still wouldn't be a minor b13, it would just be a suspension.

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chronowarp

you sure...dawg?

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DatAss

It could be a major in 1st inversion, but he did mention the chord in a minor context. And it can't be melodic decoration either as this chord is lasting 2 beats long! It goes 2 beats with a 1,b3, b13(b6) and then 2 beats 1,b3,5.. if I understood him right.

food1010

Why not? Melodic decoration could last for 10 bars if you wanted it to.

That said, I guess I failed to read the whole OP. Still, if the b6 is resolving to the 5, I'd have a hard time calling it a b13.

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