Originally Posted by crazysam23_Atax

Unfortunately, my humor doesn't translate as well as I want it to through the internet all the time.

Originally Posted by Ur all $h1t

No, they quite possibly just genuinely care about this issue.

Look, I’m pro-choice, but the Abortion debate is such a cluster**** because no-one can be bothered to put themselves into the shoes of the other side. They speak completely different languages and thus don’t understand one another.

Imagine for a second that you believe that human life, and all the rights that go with it, develop at conception. You believe the foetus to be a perfectly conscious human being, same as an infant. If you thought that, wouldn’t you bring up Abortion all the ****ing time? Like, wouldn’t it be all you talk about? I know if I thought that then that’d be my single issue, because it would take a huge issue to outweigh what I would then consider to be the wilful slaughter of defenceless babies.

Pro-choice people don’t see that, because we don’t consider that consciousness, or sentience, or whatever you wish to label the factor that makes humans different from other animals and thus makes it not ok to kill them, occurs at the moment of conception.
However, if you put yourself in their shoes, you realise that their statements about rape are perfectly consistent. I despise the people who are anti-abortion but think that it’s ok in cases of rape. What the **** kind of position is that to hold? If you think abortion is murder, then you can’t ever say it’s ok, no matter what the excuse is (the exception being if the mother’s life were in immediate danger, in which case it’s analogous to murder in self-defence).

Calling pro-lifers who say these things stupid is, in itself, moronic. If you understand their positions, it makes perfect sense to believe that women should carry their rapist’s child.

Where they are stupid, is in their understanding of Biology. Many of them are wilfully ignorant of the facts of embryonic development, and much of the misunderstanding might be cleared up if they opened a bio textbook, but pro-choicers would want to be careful of throwing stones from that glasshouse.

Originally Posted by element4433

Also, how is this anything but misogyny?

Originally Posted by WCPhils

Originally Posted by Fat Lard

Once I couldn't remember the word wrist so I told my friend I had hurt my hand ankle

Originally Posted by WCPhils

Originally Posted by Ur all $h1t

If one believes embryos to be viable persons then one would consider their termination to be tantamount to murder. It is not misogonistic to tell women they can't kill humans, nor is it illogical to believe that this applies regardless of whether or not the woman was raped. In fact, the illogical and silly view is held by those who believe that abortion is wrong, but should be allowed in cases of rape.

Originally Posted by Ur all $h1t

If one believes embryos to be viable persons then one would consider their termination to be tantamount to murder. It is not misogonistic to tell women they can't kill humans, nor is it illogical to believe that this applies regardless of whether or not the woman was raped. In fact, the illogical and silly view is held by those who believe that abortion is wrong, but should be allowed in cases of rape.

Originally Posted by Fat Lard

Once I couldn't remember the word wrist so I told my friend I had hurt my hand ankle

Originally Posted by Thrashtastic15

neidnarb is the new faggot.

Originally Posted by neidnarb11890

>Republicans
>learning

Originally Posted by Fat Lard

Once I couldn't remember the word wrist so I told my friend I had hurt my hand ankle

Originally Posted by Thrashtastic15

I don't understand why you seem to take pride in the fact that you ardently avoid rational discussions on any topic that has even a smidgen of intellectual depth or is an important issue. Does your mind even comprehend things other than sports, tv shows, and e-fellating? The things that seem to define your interests and how you spend your time are so considerably more inconsequential, meaningless, and just plain stupid that I really don't see how you can even conceive of having the right to cast a stone at others. Look in the goddamn mirror.

Originally Posted by Thrashtastic15

It's not illogical and silly, it's just a slightly more reasonable and intelligent manner of looking at the issue. It's a more nuanced and elaborate position to take since definitions have to shift to certain extents, but it isn't impossible to hold such a view and be logically consistent.

Even in the case of abortions with women who could potentially die from having the child, you're still deciding between lives in certain circumstances (like where the life of the child is saved but the life of the mother is lost). It's just drawing the line at a different point based on differing conceptions of where the grey area is on what is and isn't reasonable. They have the same fundamental point that an embryo is a viable person and should be treated as such, just different viewpoints towards when it is reasonable to terminate based on the circumstances. These people believe in the same fundamental ideals but believe that the immense suffering and hardship that having to have and potentially raise a child conceived from a rape is cruel and undue punishment, therefore it is appropriate for an abortion due to the nature of the circumstances and the severe impact it would have on both the lives of the mother and the child. They have the same ideal towards the bulk of abortions, that they should be avoided and life should be treated with sanctity and respect, but there are certain incredibly horrible circumstances in which it is appropriate, reasonable, and just plain humane to allow abortions. Both sides have their lines in the sand as to where it is appropriate, one is just a bit more lenient and humane.

It's the manner they treat and look at women in these circumstances as nothing more as a vessel for potential life through the embryo that's misogynistic.

Originally Posted by element4433

I'm copying this, deleting your post, and claiming it as my own.

Originally Posted by Fat Lard

Once I couldn't remember the word wrist so I told my friend I had hurt my hand ankle

Originally Posted by Hydra150

Guess so, because every third post of yours is explaining that the second was meant to be sarcasm.

Originally Posted by Thrashtastic15

neidnarb is the new faggot.

Originally Posted by crazysam23_Atax

Sarcasm is my main form of humor. It works well irl. Not so much on the internet.

Originally Posted by crazysam23_Atax

Sarcasm is my main form of humor. It works well irl. Not so much on the internet.

Originally Posted by Jostry

Romney's gonna win.

Originally Posted by ErikLensherr

Sam is very funny.

Originally Posted by Ur all $h1t

If one believes embryos to be viable persons then one would consider their termination to be tantamount to murder. It is not misogonistic to tell women they can't kill humans, nor is it illogical to believe that this applies regardless of whether or not the woman was raped.