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Old 11-04-2012, 03:23 AM   #1
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ok need help mesa vs engl

ok im a player heavily influenced by thrash and industrial metal. and i have been listening to both the mesa dual rectifier and engl powerball 2 and cannot come to a decision can anyone give me some suggestions as to which amp is better or can offer me more and why? I already have a cab loaded with v30s i bought but both amps are also built with those speakers. i just don't know where to turn as i am leaving the realm of home recording with solid state and moving to all tube amps.
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Old 11-04-2012, 03:24 AM   #2
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They're both great amplifiers. It really comes down to what tones you want personally, which we cannot answer for you.
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Old 11-04-2012, 03:27 AM   #3
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Are there Mesa or Engl dealers close to you so you could demo the amp(s)? I've played both and both are awesome amplifiers but they are voiced differently (to me).
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Old 11-04-2012, 03:28 AM   #4
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my local dealer deals mesa but my closest engl dealer is a couple hours away.
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Old 11-04-2012, 03:42 AM   #5
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Sometimes the convenience of not going out of your way is worth quite a bit. OTOH, if there is something you REALLY want, mere distance should not keep you from it.

Ask yourself if the drive is worth it, or would you be just as happy with the Mesa?
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Old 11-04-2012, 06:32 AM   #6
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They're both great amplifiers and as said, they're a bit different in voicing. I do think the ENGL is the more versatile of the two, while the Mesa of course has that sound they're famous for.

I played both extensively and in my opinion, in the cleans department it's ENGL that wins, crunch is one back for Mesa and high-gain is whatever you like more. That my opinion though. The ENGL does crunch nicely as well and I personally have grown to like the cleans on the Mesa.
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Old 11-04-2012, 07:37 AM   #7
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You know, I was always a fan of the Dual Rec. but honestly the Mark V is just so much more versatile - better cleans, variable wattage, eq etc. In my opinion it is the Mesa Boogie. Variable wattage is a very important feature imo, especially in that price range. You can drop your drive channel to 10 watts to get full saturation and on the clean channel keep it on 90 watts for max. clean headroom.

For a good idea on the Mark V sound check out YouTube vids of Petrucci as well as Lamb of God. Feardse probably does the best videos on metal amps on YouTube.

Engl's are great amps but they are not renowned for their clean tones.
If I had the cash for those amps the Mark V would be a no-brainer.
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Old 11-04-2012, 07:45 AM   #8
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Listen to Jeff Loomis or EARLY Symphony X for an Engl's sound.

Listen to Metallica for a Mesa's Dual Rec's sound (John Petrucci uses a Mark IV/V so it's not exactly the same).

I personally love Engl's distortion (and German stuff is usually pretty damn reliable). I also don't change my tones much ; I have a metal rhythm tone, a metal lead tone and a clean tone, with very little variation...
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Old 11-04-2012, 10:39 AM   #9
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Versatility depends on which dualrecs were talking about. The 2010 multiwatt revision changed the preamp so that the cleans and mid gain tones are alot better.

The engl is super tight, saturated and compressed while rectos generally arent as compressed, a little loose (no where near what people make them out to be).

Based on the going price for a new powerball II, youre in mesa roadster proce range whih is for sure the amp id go with. Even for high gain, alot of people consider it one of the best dual recs.

Id also reccomend you check out the fireball 100 too. Its dark compressed, saturated and has more pf that mesa low end that i dontthink the powerball has. Also has great cleans

So in order heres my reccomendation:

-mesa roadster
-engl fireball 100
-mesa dual rec 2010 revision
-engl powerball ii
-an older mesa dual rec (pre 2010 and the 2 ch versions)

Any ways, regardless of what you choose youll end up with a great amp thats fairly versatile
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Old 11-04-2012, 03:05 PM   #10
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the dualrecs i have access to tare made in 2011 looking at the serial. most of the music i write has both very blunt rhythm(some chugging) and some very melodic parts and a lot of sustained chord rhythm playing. I'm just really wondering if any of you would suggest for heavy rhythms weather the extra compression on the engl is a better idea than having a really loose gain like mesa offers.

and thank all of you your input is really giving me more to think about.
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Old 11-04-2012, 03:16 PM   #11
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With two high end amps like this, you really can't go wrong with either one. I would go for the Engl just because everyone and their brother buys Mesa these days, so having the Engl might make you stand out a wee bit from the rest of the metal crowd.
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Old 11-04-2012, 03:24 PM   #12
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I wouldn't recommend either for thrash or industrial. That's pretty generally through and through Marshall territory.
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Old 11-04-2012, 03:30 PM   #13
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i already know i really dislike marshals.
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Old 11-04-2012, 03:31 PM   #14
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What tones exactly are you trying to get? What bands have tone that you'd like to get close to (or nail)?
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Old 11-04-2012, 03:36 PM   #15
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theres defiantly a lot of in fluence from bands like Megadeth,Rammstein and early machine head, along with some influence from lamb of god.
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Old 11-04-2012, 03:41 PM   #16
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That is pretty all over the place.

At least check out the Marshall JVM on Youtube. I don't usually recommend it but in this scenario I think it would work well.

And if that still doesn't interest you at all, then I'd say go for a Dual Rec rather than a Powerball.
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i already know i really dislike marshals.


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Old 11-04-2012, 04:23 PM   #18
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i just find them dry and thin sounding I'm not saying ill never play one but ill take quite a few amplifiers over a marshall for my own music though. its just a tone preference thing i guess.
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i just find them dry and thin sounding I'm not saying ill never play one but ill take quite a few amplifiers over a marshall for my own music though. its just a tone preference thing i guess.

They are very dry, that's true. Good ones are anything but thin, though.
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Old 11-04-2012, 08:51 PM   #20
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I've been trying jcm800's and 900's and jam 410's. if i were to go to a brit amp id go to a black star i think
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