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Old 11-06-2012, 06:28 AM   #1
ZILtoid_1991
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Ear training question

I started to play after hearing some songs. For me it's child's play to play power chords after hearing, I just need to fool around in the song's tuning on the fretboard. But when it comes to leads and single note riffs, I have some trouble. Especially the leads.

Songs I had played after ear and experiences:
Engine - Losing Ground: First song I append to learn this way as it has no tabs. If I recall I only gave up at the acoustic part.
Engine - Monster: Maybe one part wasn't really correct, but not even better musicians notiedproblems than me.
Mudvayne - Dig: I gave up as it was too easy for me. I moved on a much harder one.
Death - Crystal Mountain: I figured out most of the riffs after first hearing, the clean part I played first was really wrong, I never got any of the notes from the leads so I moved to the tab.
Death - Flesh and the Power it Holds: Currently struggling with it. After slowing it down to 50%, I got some parts of the intro except it's fast parts. Most of the riffs was right after the first time.
Bulb - Year Long Car Alarm: After fooling out with drop A# tuning, I got the main riff. After slowing down it amplified the artifacts of the MP3 and it really annoyed me. I rarely tune down to drop A# as the strings become too loose.
I also played some random riffs from random songs, like Machine Head - Davidian

Somehow I noticed I'm maybe more absolute pitch than relative, I even can tune the guitar without a tuner (or reffering the strings to each other) if the keys aren't some cheap ones. But I have to learn the notes first then it'll be only useable. Also Earmaster wasn't really for me. I can distinguish some chords and scales.

Is there any better software than Earmaster? Especially for Android as I travel a lot and it wastes my time. How should I can be sure what pitch I have? Some other suggestions?
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Old 11-06-2012, 06:33 AM   #2
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I have never used any software, usually I just focus on the first note of the riff I'm hearing and try to find out what kind of pattern they are using from there. If I come across anythin I'll be sure to let you know.

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Old 11-06-2012, 08:17 AM   #3
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I used the interval trainer at teoria.com but I tend to do most of my ear training at home so I have no idea at all if their site will work on a mobile.

Also not sure if this is better than Earmaster as I've not used that.

What I would say is that training yourself to recognise specific named intervals won't do you any harm as a musician, but I'm guessing you've already worked that out for yourself.
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Old 11-06-2012, 08:52 AM   #4
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I did interval training in Earmaster for months with next to no improvement the latter half. Switched to FET from miles.be less than a month ago and it seems to be working a lot better for me.
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Old 11-06-2012, 11:12 AM   #5
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I'm a big fan of the functional ear trainer. Like Emil, I was doing lots of interval training and not seeing much in the way of results (I would score well on exercises but it didn't translate to music), and I switched to the functional ear trainer and started seeing real improvement pretty quickly.
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Old 11-06-2012, 03:00 PM   #6
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Years ago I was sitting in a room with a few friends, we were all sitting around someones house hanging out. Someone mentioned they had perfect pitch, so I hit the speakerphone button...he could rattle off the note (actually a few were in between notes, I checked with a tuner later that night) of every number we pressed like we were asking him the color of the wall. Thats perfect pitch and the ability to match those frequencies to notes. If I ask you to hum middle C on the piano and you can without using anything external as a reference, it'd say you have perfect pitch. Its not common. Either your born with it, or your not. Every few years someone comes out with some new system to teach it to people, or how to get a kid to have it, but they never seem to work once tested by professionals. None that ive heard of anyway.

I have a android app called "theory, practice!" that allows you to practice intervals, scales and chords. I wish it had more than maj/min/pent for scales though. eartrainer3 looked like something I may want to try as well. There's a bunch out there.

Oddly enough I stopped playing guitar or any other instrument for almost 15 years. When I started playing again I was immediatly blown away that my relative pitch had gotten pretty good. It was horrible when I was younger, and I assumed not playing would make it worse, not better. Not sure how that happened, but im glad it did!
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Old 11-06-2012, 03:15 PM   #7
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Perfect Ear pro by exaybachay has it all.

Give the man the 2 sth euros,
they are worth every penny, its a good app constantly being improved. It even has an interval singing function.

You can also customize any exercise you want.
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Old 11-06-2012, 05:19 PM   #8
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you need to be learning more melodies instead of simple chord progressions. not to say that you haven't. But with a little bit of theory knowledge, simple logic will tell you those progressions. Not making a whole lot of improvements for your ears.

I tried the boarding ear training stuff, It bores me. Id rather train my ears in context. Improvising will help train your ears aswell. The over all sound is whats important anyway. Iv been wanting to get me a loop thing sounds awesome..have fun with that.
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