Ian_the_fox

I love how how I write 4 paragraphs explaining why I don't want a digital modeler, yet I get a shit ton of people telling me to get one anyway.


Let me say this again: THEY DO NOT SOUND AS GOOD AS TUBE AMPS. PERIOD.

In room, on recording, wherever. You may not be able to tell the difference on your $10 PC speakers. Good for you. I listen to my music on half-decent systems, and I can easily hear the difference. Digital doesn't have the raw "balls" or the touch sensitivity that tubes have. At ANY volume.

This all might not matter if you're playing generic overly-processed Djenty-Grind-Death-Core, but that's not the sound I'm going for.

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lemurflames

You can't be helped.

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Eppicurt

Oh sorry, we forgot that's all the Axe Fx is good for.



Tone matching on the Axe Fx 2. No reason why you can't do the same thing on the lower gain models. And you can't tell me in a blind-fold test that you would be able to distinguish them.

Iso cabs do tend the suck the life out of the sound and can make it muffled as there are more or less zero acoustics inside one. If you really wanted to get authentic tube recordings, you're better off hiring out a rehearsal space for a few hours and crank the amp to the sweet spot, wherever it may be. "Silent recording" of tube amps just isn't happening.

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Tom 1.0

Enjoy your mushy flat lifeless sounding tube amp on 0.5 then mate.

We are telling you the only realistic option you have, hence why I ignored your daft biased and ignorant ideal that only a tube amp is good enough.

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gumbilicious

i think we are getting aggressive with the advice again guys

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ihartfood

I liked the sound-proofed closet idea. that's what I do (only with pillows instead of legit soundproofing). It worked well too.

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Ian_the_fox

Now I'll admit in that video it sounded a lot better. Better than the other comparison videos that only used the stock presets compared to the actual amp. But it still has that quality, particularly in the low end. Like a "woof" almost, somewhere in the 100-250hz range. It's even more noticeable in his videos without the full band mix.

The Kemper sounds better at replicating the tube sound than the Axe, but for the price of a Kemper I could buy an Iso-booth and forget about all of this.


The muffled part was what I was worried about. Not in that it's closed in a box, but I've had a horrible experience trying to get a 1x12 to sound good in a mix, which is why I eventually said screw it and bought a 2x12 with V30's.

But reading on the Randall it appears like it was intentionally designed with some space at the bottom of the cab to give breathing room for the speaker. Even if it's not as good as room miking, it still beats the fakeness of digital.


The whole purpose of the thread is me asking how I can operate a tube amp like it's supposed to and not bother others. I stated valid reasons why I dislike the sound of digital modeling, and why I don't want to migrate from tubes.

If you're not going to give me an answer to the question of "how do I preserve the sound I have", and give a suggestion for something I don't want, then why even bother?

If I do this It would probably be with professional sound proofing material, for better sound proofing sake and for better acoustics.

Honestly, soundproofing a closet seems like the best options regarding volume and sound quality, but if the closest is right on the wall of my neighbor's bed (like it is with some block style apartments), it can't happen.

There's also the option of getting a used vocal booth for around $1000 (something I've been wanting for a while now), but that may not fit in smaller places depending on where I go.



The worst thing about this thread is that it's all hypothetical. I haven't even moved out yet, nor have I encountered any intolerant neighbors yet. But I just know it's bound to happen.

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Eppicurt

What recording gear do you have?

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Reincaster

It's probably out of your price range, but it's a nice investment: The Torpedo Two notes loadbox! You run your amp into it, load up an IR/Mic/Reverb and record!

Here's another thing I've done in the past: Stick my amp in the car and record it! hahaha! Free iso box!

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Ian_the_fox

My amp is a JCA100h going into a Whitebox 2x12 with V30's (still running stock tubes, but I plan to replace those very soon), Shure SM57 for mic (occasionally 2 depending on who comes over to record), and Focusrite Pro 24 preamp and interface. When I record guitars I make sure it's highest quality possible.

Don't use the shit that's on my profile as a reference. The older one was recorded before I even knew what I was doing (and still using a shit 1x12 ) and the newer one was recorded with my old shitty interface and at a whisper volume (was really just a wank test).

I don't have anything uploaded anywhere of my recent work recorded with my good setup (that actually sounds good).


As stupid as this sounds this actually seems like a good idea. Maybe not for summer time though...

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ihartfood

I'll try the car thing one of these days. awesome idea

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Eppicurt

Well it's not your gear.

I still think the rehearsal space idea is the most cost effective and efficient way to do what you want.

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Cathbard

You are describing the function of an isocab. Just build one, google some designs. They are basically just a box, you don't need to be carpenter to build a box. You can make a box can't you?

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Offworld92

It honestly doesn't matter *that* much in the studio. If you're going to be burying guitar tracks in a grave along with bass, drums and vocals, the tone becomes less and less important as the mix becomes less about the guitar sound and more about the sound of the mix. There's so much else going on sonically that the tiny difference between a good modeler and a tube amp become almost non-consequential.

The stage is where tube amps rule supreme.

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gumbilicious

errr uhh.

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Cathbard

That picture is going onto my desktop.

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trashedlostfdup

ianthefox- i find this quite funny as that in every wattage thread you say "i have a 100 watt amp and my dad has a 50 watt amp" and they sound good quiet. or something along the lines.

now what is relevant. buy or build an isocab. get some cabinet grade birch on the cheap side or baltic birch if you want it more to higher standards. i have built several cabs, from head cabs to speaker cabs. if you go to a place like home depot or lowes and have your design figured out, they will make one free cut and i think additional cuts are $.50, if i buy wood from there that is what i do. just the bigger pieces that you need. in most cases they are better cuts than you can do provided you don't have a wood shop. however the baltic birch i get from a cabinet guy my father works with i get the sheets whole and have to make the long cuts.

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