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Old 11-07-2012, 07:16 AM   #1
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One amp can't do it all... can it?

I've noticed that many “new amp” threads these days are posted by someone who wants one single amp that...

1)Costs less that $200/£150
2)Is all tube, including the rectifier and phase inverter
3)Can be turned down so low that a cat's meow could drown it
4)Sound superb at a volume so low that a cat's meow could drown it
5)Can be turned up so it can fill Wembley Stadium with sound
6)Have glorious tweed sound
7)Have Superb Blackface sounds
8)Have wonderful JCM800 sounds
9)Have sweet AC30 sounds
10)Be capable of death-metal levels of gain

I could be wrong but I don't know of any amps that offer all of the above. Okay I'm exaggerating a little bit for effect, but not by much!

Why is the sense of realism missing from many, many people these days. I have a modeller for diddling about with at home, and an AC30 (from when I used to gig). Those two amps do/did me just nicely, but I had to accept the trade off of cost (buying two amps, one of which was very expensive) and convenience (having two amps instead of one).

Do people really think that you can get one single amp that meets all of the above requirements?
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Old 11-07-2012, 07:23 AM   #2
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I think a lot of it has to do with people not knowing what they want. Then when they read reviews and watch videos, they check the specs and think that you need certain things in the amp to have a good sound. That and it's a bit hard to describe sound, which is why people say "I want a JCM 800 tone". They know this guitar player has one and they like that tone.


Not to mention a lot of metal players will say their Multi channel amps sound good for Classic Rock because you can turn the gain down.





To answer your question though... Do I think you can get an amp to do everything? Sure.
Do I think an amp like that does everything well? Probably not.
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Old 11-07-2012, 07:40 AM   #3
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Some random thoughts on each of your points:

1) This would be the hardest part - that's a practice amp budget so a modeller would usually be the best option for versatility.

2) See 1)

3) All amps have a volume knob....

4) There's a whole thread discussing volume vs tone (can't be bothered to find it & post link, but seek & ye shall find).

5) See 3) & 4). Also remember a smaller amp can be mic'd up and played through the PA to get gigging volume with the same tone you practice with.

6), 7), 8), 9) & 10) Now you're definitely talking about either having different amps or using a modelling amp that would do a reasonable version of each of these sounds. Alternatively you're looking at an amp that takes pedals well so you could use those to create each of the different sounds.
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Old 11-07-2012, 08:42 AM   #4
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some amps respond better at lower volume than others by design. there was recently a thread on it.

also, some amp are just built that the volume knobs have a better taper on them, making them easier to work with at lower volumes so its not such a 0 or 10 scenario. some amps are just darn loud.

its really hard to get everything you want because even at a cats meow, amp dont "open up". its like only idling a ferrari. its just not using it to the fullest.

i would say something like the mesa mark 5 is getting close to what you are looking for. also perhaps something carvin, as many of their newer V or 3 channel amps are fairly versatile.

really, if you want everything at any volume, you might want to start looking digital like ave FX.
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Old 11-07-2012, 09:19 AM   #5
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I'm not looking! I don't believe you can get one amp that does all that, which is why I have two!

I think you have to trade off the money against the functionality, and two amps seems to be the minimum to cover most of the ground I've outlined above.

I'm just curious whether others think it is feasible to get everything in one amp.

By the way, a genuine AC30 at cat's meow volumes is rubbish. They need to shout to get good, so I have a modeller set to the AC30 model that sounds better at those volumes. Not as good as the AC30 at full chat, but better than the AC30 at low volumes.
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Old 11-07-2012, 09:22 AM   #6
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Well my Peavey Vypyr 30W is about the closest thing you well get to this. Has loads of effects and whatnot, sounds good at low volume. Turn the knob a mm more though and this thing gets LOUD! Don't know about a Wembley Stadium but trust me, this shit is loud for a 30W. Cost 200 euros when I bought it 4 years ago but is now going around for 150 i think. I very highly recommend it! One of the best purchases I ever made.
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Old 11-07-2012, 10:04 AM   #7
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my Marshall 6100 does it all, but it's a bit more expensive
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Old 11-07-2012, 10:08 AM   #8
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The vypyr isn't all valve though, and and the marshall is above the price point. Which backs up my own theory that it can't be done and people should get more realistic with their budgets and/or functionality.
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Old 11-07-2012, 10:19 AM   #9
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Well obviously people should be more realistic, but you have so many people who are frightfully unaware of how much good gear costs. My V3 is very versatile, all tube, sounds good at a variety of volumes, but the head still cost me 450 used, and that was a pretty good deal
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No hate on the Vetta, but it also doesn't meet the prerequisites of being all tube and I have never seen one any where near 200 bucks.
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Old 11-07-2012, 10:53 AM   #12
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Old 11-07-2012, 11:25 AM   #13
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My Abbey will do all that more or less and I scored it used for about that. That was a real 'right place at the right time" sort of thing though. It doesn't have a tube rectifier though and I don't know why you think that is necessary anyway.

If you are filling Wembley stadium directly off the amp you are doing it wrong and will be doomed to having a shitty mix. It's not done that way, this isn't 1962. So that stipulation is ridiculous and I disregarded it accordingly.

I probably should say that it doesn't have Blackface cleans but it does have AC30 like tones but rounded off with 6L6's. It's more of Mesa Mark meets AC30 at a knife fight really.
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Old 11-07-2012, 11:28 AM   #14
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My Abbey will do all that more or less and I scored it used for about that. That was a real 'right place at the right time" sort of thing though. It doesn't have a tube rectifier though and I don't know why you think that is necessary anyway.

If you are filling Wembley stadium directly off the amp you are doing it wrong and will be doomed to having a shitty mix. It's not done that way, this isn't 1962. So that stipulation is ridiculous and I disregarded it accordingly.


I don't think a valve rectifier is necessary either, but some people looking for amps do.

I don't want to fill Wembley with my amps sound, but some poeple looking for amps do.

My OP was that some people are just unrealistic with their demands and budget, and there seems to be a growing number of them.
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I don't think a valve rectifier is necessary either, but some people looking for amps do.

I don't want to fill Wembley with my amps sound, but some poeple looking for amps do.

My OP was that some people are just unrealistic with their demands and budget, and there seems to be a growing number of them.

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Seriously, some people eat rocks.

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I can vouch for Pitwulf. I have the 15W so less capabilities but even that still is decent.

It doesn't like being quiet on most distorted settings though. Just one little nudge up and you can burst your ears if not careful :P
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You're not gonna get a tube amp at $200.

Get a Vypyr if you need to stay under that budget.
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You're not gonna get a tube amp at $200.

Get a Vypyr if you need to stay under that budget.

Did you read the thread at all?
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Seriously though, I've played for about 9 years now & my rack-kit has been absolutely THE best set of purchases I've ever had.
Even the 'budget' rack gear is generally better than those combo's/heads in terms of sound quality.

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I absolutely love the 'Behringer V-Amp Pro', it's sounds are fantastic.
Same for the Line-6 POD-HD, it's just better quality overall in comparison.

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