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Old 11-12-2012, 11:22 AM   #21
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because that's all governments do with tax money

Oh right, I forgot that they use it to maintain the infrastructure of the country, like they should be doing.

Oh wait..

No, they also use our tax money to pay for Obama's vicious ads on television, to pay wasteful and useless wars that are only good for the war machine in this country, to pay for other countries' problems when we have quite enough issues on the home turf, etc., etc...

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Or, you know, provide important services for those less well off

Lol.
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Old 11-12-2012, 11:23 AM   #22
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Oh right, I forgot that they use it to maintain the infrastructure of the country, like they should be doing.

Oh wait..

No, they also use our tax money to pay for Obama's vicious ads on television, to pay wasteful and useless wars that are only good for the war machine in this country, to pay for other countries' problems when we have quite enough issues on the home turf, etc., etc...


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Old 11-12-2012, 11:23 AM   #23
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Wh...what?


What?


What?




Run the numbers.

Put in any rational percentage for a tax rate and see what you come up with.

There aren't enough rich people to tax, your laughter notwithstanding.

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And he won in a landslide,



I'm guessing you're using a different version of 'landslide' than I'm used to?
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Old 11-12-2012, 11:24 AM   #24
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What is so good in having another recession? If you would go off the cliff and a recession follows somewhere along the line there have to be measures taken to get out of it again. Why not take measures before a recession happens?


because CBO.

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Old 11-12-2012, 11:25 AM   #25
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Yeah lets cannibalize the rich for THE GREATER GOOD.

Ain't nobody got time for that.
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Old 11-12-2012, 11:25 AM   #26
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Oh right, I forgot that they use it to maintain the infrastructure of the country, like they should be doing.

Oh wait..

No, they also use our tax money to pay for Obama's vicious ads on television, to pay wasteful and useless wars that are only good for the war machine in this country, to pay for other countries' problems when we have quite enough issues on the home turf, etc., etc...


What planet do you actually live on?

What...I mean... do you even read what you're saying?

1) Even Hoover admitted America's defense forces/FBI etc are basically rogue, anyway and are esoteric from Government in many ways, and Obama didn't even start the damn war.

2) Obama's ads were paid for by the Democrats. Like, you know, Romney's were paid for by the Republicans.

3) Your own country's problems stem back to Neoliberal policymaking and failed right-wingism, not centrist Democrat-ism.

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Yeah lets cannibalize the rich for THE GREATER GOOD.

Ain't nobody got time for that.


Because CUTTING taxes for them has never had any affect other than stimulating the economy!

Give me a damn break.
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Old 11-12-2012, 11:27 AM   #27
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What planet do you actually live on?

What...I mean... do you even read what you're saying?

1) Even Hoover admitted America's defense forces/FBI etc are basically rogue, anyway and are esoteric from Government in many ways, and Obama didn't even start the damn war.

2) Obama's ads were paid for by the Democrats. Like, you know, Romney's were paid for by the Republicans.

3) Your own country's problems stem back to Neoliberal policymaking and failed right-wingism, not centrist Democrat-ism.

1) You could actually read what I said, for one. Also, that's why the government needs to get in control of it's own faculties.

2) Uh, no.

3) Socialism isn't right wing.
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Old 11-12-2012, 11:27 AM   #28
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Oh right, I forgot that they use it to maintain the infrastructure of the country, like they should be doing.

Oh wait..

No, they also use our tax money to pay for Obama's vicious ads on television, to pay wasteful and useless wars that are only good for the war machine in this country, to pay for other countries' problems when we have quite enough issues on the home turf, etc., etc...

lol, well yeah they're all reasonable things to complain about but welfare payments aren't.
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1) You could actually read what I said, for one. Also, that's why the government needs to get in control of it's own faculties.

2) Uh, no.

3) Socialism isn't right wing.


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Old 11-12-2012, 11:29 AM   #30
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1) You could actually read what I said, for one. Also, that's why the government needs to get in control of it's own faculties.

2) Uh, no.

3) Socialism isn't right wing.


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Old 11-12-2012, 11:29 AM   #31
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What planet do you actually live on?

What...I mean... do you even read what you're saying?

1) Even Hoover admitted America's defense forces/FBI etc are basically rogue, anyway and are esoteric from Government in many ways, and Obama didn't even start the damn war.



the fuck?
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Old 11-12-2012, 11:29 AM   #32
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Well yeah, but you have to take into account that their whole reason for being obstructionist was to get rid of Obama. And he won in a landslide, liberals got more seats in the Senate and in House races, Democrats won the national popular vote (when added together) and if not for GOP redistricting in several states, might have taken the House quite possibly. Or at least closed in on them.

Basically, things aren't looking good for Republicans and they know at this point if something bad happens, they'll be blamed for it. So he came out saying they would not support any tax increases. But he said we need additional revenue. Code for "we need more tax money." So basically they're saying we can make the effective rate higher by closing loopholes and deductions.

Not good enough. After running (and winning a strong mandate) on letting the Bush tax cuts expire, any "compromise" that fails to do so is a cave for the Democrats.

I mean if we can't get that done now, in the aftermath of an electoral landslide and with upwards of 60% of the public on our side, we're really just at new levels of useless...
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Old 11-12-2012, 11:30 AM   #33
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Apart from people having to pay more taxes (which no one likes but don't americans pay low taxes anyway comparing to the rest of the world?) why is this such a bad thing?

Compared to the rest of the world, we probably pay about the same.

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1) You could actually read what I said, for one. Also, that's why the government needs to get in control of it's own faculties.

2) Uh, no.

3) Socialism isn't right wing.

And this is why threads like this are bad, TS. Someone ALWAYS ends up with major butthurt and then it becomes an argument. It just snowballs until we might as well all abandon the thread. Otherwise, we just end up as giant dicks.

Below is an illustration of the endstate of a thread like this.
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Old 11-12-2012, 11:31 AM   #34
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1) You could actually read what I said, for one. Also, that's why the government needs to get in control of it's own faculties.

2) Uh, no.

3) Socialism isn't right wing.

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the fuck?

I can't back that one up, I can't remember where I heard it and I wasn't talking about the army- rather the CIA/FBI.
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Compared to the rest of the world, we probably pay about the same.

That is absolutely false.
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Compared to the rest of the world, we probably pay about the same.

guessing!

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and with upwards of 60% of the public on our side,


Or, you know, 50.53%

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I can't back that one up, I can't remember where I heard it and I wasn't talking about the army- rather the CIA/FBI.


And it has ****-all to do with the subject at hand, so what was your intent in sharing it?
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Or, you know, 50.53%[/img]

Close though, thanks for playing...



And it has ****-all to do with the subject at hand, so what was your intent in sharing it?

I interpreted his post as blaming Obama for the war and replied by claiming that he wasn't responsible.1.png
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