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Old 11-12-2012, 11:47 AM   #41
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We have universal healthcare and you have a fuckoff huge army and 5,000 nukes.


The nukes are relatively cheap, but the military is expensive. Maybe we should invade y'all, so you could get more benefit from your UHC and we get more from our military?
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Old 11-12-2012, 11:49 AM   #42
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fair enough, you don't want to be dolling out cash willy nilly obviously. Not sure how your system works but I'll take your word for it.

Well it evolved from a reasonably innocent program to assist those that actually needed help, to a program used by the recent administrations to get the populace dependent upon the government as a re-election ploy, and also abused by many people who don't want to work.
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Old 11-12-2012, 11:50 AM   #43
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We certainly have the highest corporate tax rate in the world, I know that from here.

You could argue that our tax rate vs. our GDP isn't high compared to the rest of the world. However, the average American who makes $50k or more is probably paying roughly the same as the average person in the UK who makes 32k or more (in British pounds).


We have one of the lowest effective tax rates because of loopholes for the well to do.

>liberals in charge of understanding taxes
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Old 11-12-2012, 11:51 AM   #44
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We have universal healthcare and you have a fuckoff huge army and 5,000 nukes.

Why do you think your taxes are so high? Socialism requires stealing money from people who work and earn it so they can pay for their broken, idealistic policies.
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Old 11-12-2012, 11:56 AM   #45
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Ok so I don't understand, isn't the quote you posted FOR the increased taxes etc? It talks about the fiscal constrains (English isnt my first language and I can't really find out if it is for or against the policy.)


The quote I posted is essentially saying that right off the bat things will dip down. Unemployment will rise and GDP will decrease. But in the long run, over the course of the next five years or so, things will improve and unemployment will fall to around 5.5%. Basically, going off the cliff is the right solution in the long run. But everyone is concerned with immediate results now. Which will eventually be our downfall.

It's kind of like breaking up with your girlfriend. It sucks at first and you get really depressed, but eventually you're making more money and getting laid a lot more.
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Old 11-12-2012, 11:58 AM   #46
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You mean like Bush who put in the massive tax cuts about to lead your country off a cliff?



You are backwards and idiotic. Not in an an hominem way, more "you have no bloody clue how a just society works and are a selfish bastardo".

Either that or you love being told by wealthy people that you're trash and should just work harder.

>Just society
>Steals money from hard-working citizens and uses it for shit that isn't working

Also, funny, I've never been told that. I mean yeah, it's nice to have a work ethic, I just have to assume you're a lazy, unemployed fuck, now.
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Old 11-12-2012, 11:58 AM   #47
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So is pretty much everything else he does, but does anybody say anything? Nope.



Well, I was gonna complain about superlatives being thrown around, but you said 'pretty much else' rather than 'everything'. Still, claming that the sitting president has violated campaign law is not an old claim, nor is it typically levied by anyone with an objective view on the subject.


And yes, EVERYONE says things about shit like drone strikes. It was a bit of a thing in the run-up to the foreign policy debate, especially in conversation with libertarians and other 3rd party supporters.

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Well it evolved from a reasonably innocent program to assist those that actually needed help, to a program used by the recent administrations to get the populace dependent upon the government as a re-election ploy, and also abused by many people who don't want to work.





So just shut it down, I guess? I mean, one spoilt apple in a peck reduces the whole crop, right?
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Old 11-12-2012, 12:02 PM   #48
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Well, I was gonna complain about superlatives being thrown around, but you said 'pretty much else' rather than 'everything'. Still, claming that the sitting president has violated campaign law is not an old claim, nor is it typically levied by anyone with an objective view on the subject.


And yes, EVERYONE says things about shit like drone strikes. It was a bit of a thing in the run-up to the foreign policy debate, especially in conversation with libertarians and other 3rd party supporters.

He hasn't just violated campaign law, he's commited treason and dereliction of duty on various occasions. Benghazi and Fast and Furious come to mind.

I mean people that get taken seriously and aren't made fun of on a regular basis by imbeciles on television.
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Old 11-12-2012, 12:04 PM   #49
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I go to uni five days a week and work fridays and saturdays, paying a tax rate of 20% including National Insurance which pays for unemployment benefits and healthcare. Like most of the rest of the civilised world.

Wealth only exists because of common consent -everyone agreeing that a banker is worth more financially than a cleaner, regardless of worth. The wealthy are only there because society grants them wealth. They did not create that wealth themselves. Society gives them wealth and so the wealthy owe society a huge debt.
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Old 11-12-2012, 12:06 PM   #51
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You mean like Bush who put in the massive tax cuts about to lead your country off a cliff?



You are backwards and idiotic. Not in an an hominem way, more "you have no bloody clue how a just society works and are a selfish bastardo".

Either that or you love being told by wealthy people that you're trash and should just work harder.


Our recession was caused by mortgage fraud and sub prime mortgages, not the tax cuts. Don't try to act like you understand the fiscal problems here.

You could argue the debt was caused by the tax cuts, but it's more accurate to say the debt was caused by starting 2 wars, bailing out the banks, bailing out the auto industry and generally increasing spending all around.
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He hasn't just violated campaign law, he's commited treason and dereliction of duty on various occasions. Benghazi and Fast and Furious come to mind.

I mean people that get taken seriously and aren't made fun of on a regular basis by imbeciles on television.



F&F was a USDOJ initiative, Benghazi was in protest to a B-film that essentially slandered the Muslim tradition. The government is made up of more than one person, buddy.

There is a lot wrong with this president's record, but all I hear from the right are the same tired, and inexcusably incorrect, stories.
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StillSublime is pretty much the epitome of angry and misinformed Paultard.
ErikLensherr is pretty much the epitome of an grammatical error.
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StillSublime is pretty much the paragon of the angry and misinformed Libertarian-Right electorate.



Fixed for clarification
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ErikLensherr is pretty much the epitome of an grammatical error.

Where?
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That's funny...


An grammatical?
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F&F was a USDOJ initiative, Benghazi was in protest to a B-film that essentially slandered the Muslim tradition. The government is made up of more than one person, buddy.

There is a lot wrong with this president's record, but all I hear from the right are the same tired, and inexcusably incorrect, stories.
Oh, so you're saying it's ok for a president to not know what his appointees are doing under his watch? And don't even get me started on that film bullshit, I can't believe you honestly think that's the cause. That's not even the point, Obama failed his men as Commander-in-Chief.

So your stories are correct, then? Don't make me laugh. You're trying to justify an act of war based on misinformation and disregard for the fact that men died because some Muslims got butthurt about Osama.

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That's funny...


An grammatical?
Thanks for the lolstack, you missed the point, man.
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That's funny...


An grammatical?

he added the an because that's what the other guy left out...
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he added the an because that's what the other guy left out...

That's not an error. If you're the epitome of "something," it's "something" as a general concept, not any specific case, so adding an article makes no sense.

StillSublime is about as competent at grammar as he is at politics.
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