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Old 11-12-2012, 04:39 PM   #101
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You mean like Bush did, before 2008? Don't make me laugh.

It isn't a 75% tax rate. It's a rate of 75% on anything over £1m per annum. VERY different.


fairly certain the US had a similar policy decades ago. except the percentage was closer to 90%. I'd like to see that come back eventually. in the words of George Romney, no one needs that much money.
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Old 11-12-2012, 04:39 PM   #102
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Oh my god a typo what a brilliant contribution to the thread you made by catching that. You're a regular UA$.
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Old 11-12-2012, 04:46 PM   #103
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Old 11-12-2012, 04:55 PM   #104
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It would be a good start if everyone pulled their heads out their asses and came to the simple conclusion that there is no such thing as a free lunch. If you really want something you need to get off of your dead backsides and get it for yourselves.

From the results of the last election, it's apparent there are many who still don't recognize those simple facts of life. Facts that have been proven over and over again and are being proven yet again right now today in Europe as their economies take a tumble one after another.
DUH!! It ain't exactly rocket science folks.

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So, as I'm sure we all know by now, the US is approaching a pretty big issue. Between Bush-Obama tax cuts expiring and huge spending cuts from the debt ceiling crisis taking effect, we are fast approaching a "fiscal cliff". In more detail (from Wiki), the following policies are set to take effect on January 1, 2013:
  • Expiration of the Obama tax cuts provided for in the Tax Relief, Unemployment Insurance Reauthorization, and Job Creation Act of 2010
  • Across-the-board spending cuts ("sequestration") to most discretionary programs as directed by the Budget Control Act of 2011
  • Reversion of the Alternative Minimum Tax thresholds to their 2000 tax year levels
  • Expiration of measures delaying the Medicare Sustainable Growth Rate from going into effect (the "doc fix"), most recently extended by the Middle Class Tax Relief and Job Creation Act of 2012 (MCTRJCA)
  • Expiration of the 2% Social Security payroll tax cut, most recently extended by MCTRJCA
  • Expiration of federal unemployment benefits, most recently extended by MCTRJCA
  • New taxes imposed by the Patient Protection and Affordable Care Act and the Health Care and Education Reconciliation Act of 2010.

So do we compromise? And if so, how exactly? Not raising tax rates but closing deductions and loopholes? Negotiating on cutting less? Or do we maintain gridlock and go off the cliff? Would we be better or worse in the long run?
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Old 11-12-2012, 05:09 PM   #105
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It would be a good start if everyone pulled their heads out their asses and came to the simple conclusion that there is no such thing as a free lunch. If you really want something you need to get off of your dead backsides and get it for yourselves.

Agreed. Red states, please stop collecting more money from the federal government than you contribute, I'm sick of subsidizing your laziness.
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Old 11-12-2012, 05:10 PM   #106
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It would be a good start if everyone pulled their heads out their asses and came to the simple conclusion that there is no such thing as a free lunch. If you really want something you need to get off of your dead backsides and get it for yourselves.

From the results of the last election, it's apparent there are many who still don't recognize those simple facts of life. Facts that have been proven over and over again and are being proven yet again right now today in Europe as their economies take a tumble one after another.
DUH!! It ain't exactly rocket science folks.



Actually, there is such a thing as a free lunch if you're willing to forage for some nuts and berries.
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Old 11-12-2012, 05:12 PM   #107
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I've have and it says the USSR fell on it's ass and China is leaning more into free enterprise and capitalism every day which is why they are buying everyone else out right now.
Have you looked across the channel lately? Socialism never works for very long, sooner or later the piper is at the door demanding to be paid. And pay him you will. If not you then your children will pay. That is if the benevolent state allows you to have any, in the best interest of the masses and all that silly idiotic rot.

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Funny that since Britain has had universal healthcare since 1948 and our economy and budget were even worse back then.

The world has been capitalist since the 18th century and look where that has got us. Stop blaming "socialism" for the world today and read some damned history books. Capitalism is a system of peaks and troughs and is always going to boom and bust. Commerce acts esoterically from government but works to influence democratic societies to put in policies which benefit business at the expense of Government revenue.

War is more expensive than welfare yet I don't see anyone saying "get rid of our military, those damn leeches" because we acknowledge a state needs to defend itself.

Similarly, a civilised society owes its people protection from ignorance, squalor, want, sickness and idleness and the Government is the biggest part of the solution because of its power. Sadly, in America you guys went all mad neoliberal capitalist and dragged the rest of us down with you.
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Old 11-12-2012, 05:14 PM   #108
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That foraging bit is called work by another name. Something that many are unwilling to do. They want you to pick the berries then bake them a pie.

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Old 11-12-2012, 05:39 PM   #109
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That foraging bit is called work by another name. Something that many are unwilling to do. They want you to pick the berries then bake them a pie.



That is such bullshit.

I want you to pick the berries, sell them, give me the money and I'll buy us some beer.

I could give a shit about a pie...

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Old 11-12-2012, 05:46 PM   #110
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How man ****ing multis are you going to make so that you can come on here and argue your hard right wing political viewpoints? It is starting to get really pathetic.

What you on now, 4th? 5th?
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Old 11-12-2012, 05:55 PM   #111
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Cut the military budget, it's ****ing cancerous. 700 billion a year? Really?


You know i've always wondered why they always cut frontline troops first. Why not sack a few generals and admirals get rid of those big expensive guys so joe "trying to support his family" can keep his job.
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Old 11-12-2012, 06:01 PM   #112
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Old 11-12-2012, 06:10 PM   #113
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Old 11-12-2012, 06:17 PM   #114
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Serious question: if we cut our defense budget in half, would our allies be forced to spend more on theirs? Or would it not affect them. I've always been under the impression that one of the reasons our allies have a lot of successful social programs is they have no need to finance a military since they know we've got their back. Or do you think in this day and age, they'd continue to just keep a really small, modestly funded military?
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Old 11-12-2012, 06:20 PM   #115
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Reign is sovereignty, Rein(s) is(are) the tool(s) used to drive animals.

"The expression to give free rein to is figurative. It means to give a person freedom to act on his own authority. It derives from an equestrian term:

free rein – a rein held loosely to allow a horse free motion; the freedom that this gives a horse. (OED)"
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Old 11-12-2012, 06:21 PM   #116
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and L2112Lif, it's just not your day is it, bud?
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Old 11-12-2012, 06:23 PM   #117
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Old 11-12-2012, 06:39 PM   #118
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Serious question: if we cut our defense budget in half, would our allies be forced to spend more on theirs? Or would it not affect them. I've always been under the impression that one of the reasons our allies have a lot of successful social programs is they have no need to finance a military since they know we've got their back. Or do you think in this day and age, they'd continue to just keep a really small, modestly funded military?


I'd think most of them would just keep a small military (although there would likely be some increases).

lol at the multi blaming the euro crisis on welfare.
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Old 11-12-2012, 06:57 PM   #119
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and L2112Lif, it's just not your day is it, bud?



I didn't say if he was wrong or not, I was simply clearing up the difference between the two.

EDIT: And no, it's really not. I got killed at the end of a quest in Skyrim and had to start the thing over again from the beginning of the dungeon. Apparently cliffs are lethal, who knew?
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Old 11-12-2012, 08:33 PM   #120
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faaaark...

I occasionally hear "oh yeah, the US spend a lot on its military.." but that is an obscene amount of money.

It is twice the greek debt lol. the USA can solve the recession anytime they like.
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