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Old 11-12-2012, 02:29 PM   #21
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Oooooh, an internet expert.....

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The North Sea regulations are dramatically more stringent, both in regard to hardware and employee competence, than those in place in the GOM, even with the new SEMS and the upcoming SEMS 2 in place in the US GOM.

Had the US used the North Sea regulations, the Macondo incident would never have happened.

Whether or not that may be true. With the most stringent of regulations, spills can and most academics prefer the word 'will' occur, and its response that then becomes what matters, and there is no framework for Arctic Oil response.

The gulf of mexico spill was the optimal area for response and quick cleanup, high population, calm water, warm water, relatively shallow water, and we all know how that ended up.


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The conditions in the North Sea are a close analog to Arctic offshore Drilling, don't act stupider than you must.

The use of ad hominems are showing your lack of argument.

Oil Depth
North Sea: Up to 2300ft
Arctic Ocean: Up to 5000 ft

Water Temperature
North Sea: 6-17 C
Arctic Ocean: Approximately 0-1 C

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North Sea: null
Arctic Ocean: ~six months

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Getting response to an issue will dramatically take longer in the Arctic

Ice cover is completely different as well.

Close Analogy my ass.

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So, are you a Petroleum Engineer? If not, stfu with that damn attitude. How exactly can you (knowing nothing about what Arby does or doesn't know on this issue) judge whether you know more about it? The pure arrogance of some posts...
You could have directed that identical post to him.
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Old 11-12-2012, 02:30 PM   #22
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Yeah, because drilling in the North Sea doesn't exist.

Just what we need, another know-nothing 'expert' with an opinion informed by ignorance.



Last time i went to the coast i didn't see any icebergs floating around...

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The conditions in the North Sea are a close analog to Arctic offshore Drilling, don't act stupider than you must.


See above, speaking of ignorance....

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Old 11-12-2012, 02:43 PM   #23
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FWIW, I've worked drilling rigs in both the North Sea and the US GOM, so my 'expertise' (such as it is) comes directly from that and nowhere else. I am not a petroleum engineer, nor do I play one on TV. (Nor, quite honestly, do I think that would be the best discipline to rely on for drilling safety, although it would be one of them...)

Are there additional considerations in the Arctic? Sure?

And I'll freely admit I should have qualified my North Sea / Arctic analog better, but the primary point remains, that the sky is NOT falling and offshore oil drilling remains safe and viable. Macondo, a single failure (albeit a big one), hardly mitigates the tens of thousands of wells that have been drilled offshore without incident.
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Old 11-12-2012, 02:46 PM   #24
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Old 11-12-2012, 02:49 PM   #25
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The conditions in the North Sea are a close analog to Arctic offshore Drilling, don't act stupider than you must.

I highly doubt this. The North Sea is much shallower, and has a a better climate to work in.
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Old 11-12-2012, 03:02 PM   #26
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Christian Science huh?
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Seems a little silly, honestly.


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A Christian internet expert.


Hey, stupid; the Christian Science Monitor is an extremely well respected news source, up there with Reuters or the BBC. Its journalists have won multiple Pulitzers and it's widely regarded as fairly unbiased as US based sources go. It's not some kind of kooky propagandist newspaper.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Ch...Science_Monitor
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Old 11-12-2012, 03:29 PM   #27
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Hey, stupid; the Christian Science Monitor is an extremely well respected news source, up there with Reuters or the BBC. Its journalists have won multiple Pulitzers and it's widely regarded as fairly unbiased as US based sources go. It's not some kind of kooky propagandist newspaper.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Ch...Science_Monitor


I actually looked into this website after I said that it seemed a little silly, and found it to be okay (I.E. lacking of kooky propagandist news).

I just decided to pick on Arby because he's being a dill-hole in his own thread...
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Old 11-12-2012, 03:41 PM   #28
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I just decided to pick on Arby because he's being a dill-hole in his own thread...


What better place?
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