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Old 11-13-2012, 12:06 AM   #1
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Bla-bla-bla Guitar stain using REAL red wine? Staining techniques?

Wondering if it's possible to stain a guitar body with actual red wine from a bottle? Has this been done? Any photos? I can't seem to find anything, only 'wine red stain' as in a stain that mimicks the colour of red wine...

Also, what's the easiest method for a DIY stain job of this kind? What will I need? I'm after this kind of finish:
http://www.cmcguitars.com/Fender-AM...ele-wine-rd.htm

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Old 11-13-2012, 12:10 AM   #2
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Old 11-13-2012, 06:31 AM   #3
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Why do people always get these ridiculous ideas? stain is cheap. Why try so many stupid ideas to get a less than great finish?
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Old 11-13-2012, 06:42 AM   #4
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This sounds like a REAL stupid idea.
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Old 11-13-2012, 07:09 AM   #5
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I can verify that wine does stain wood quite a bit (we make a very dark red wine and have an oak wine press).

I wouldn't however waste the wine on a guitar

edit: some googling brings up a bunch of vineyard/luthier collaborations http://benedettoguitars.com/documen...ink_to_that.pdf

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Old 11-13-2012, 12:49 PM   #6
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Seems like the type of thing people would brag about, even though it's stupid and pointless.

Do yourself a favor and use some good stains, unless you are just trying to do something different.
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Old 11-13-2012, 01:04 PM   #7
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Make sure you sniff the cork first.

I'd prefer a guitar made from whiskey barrels though.
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Old 11-13-2012, 01:07 PM   #8
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Why do people always get these ridiculous ideas? stain is cheap. Why try so many stupid ideas to get a less than great finish?
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Old 11-13-2012, 06:16 PM   #9
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Hahah you know I never thought this kind of question, after my many other questions about this guitar on the forums, would get UG slammed!

Explorerbuilder & rahmanwarsi123: stain isn't that cheap. You mention using other materials (such as wine, which permanently stains everything when you don't want it to) is sub-par to using real stains for guitars which will produce a super awesome stain job... from what I have found, stains designed for guitars are upwards of $18 each, and you need a couple at least to mix and customise the tint. Wine is upwards of $3 a bottle.

Seeing as there are so many guitars on the market that have a 'red wine stain' finish, wouldn't it seem reasonable to consider an AUTHENTIC red wine stain on a guitar? Considering it seems nobody has asked this question before here (judging from your comments and a quick google search on the subject), I thought I would.

Also, what is a stupider and more ridiculous idea is sanding back half the paint job on a guitar to make it look vintage when it isn't... Fender do it and they sell for more than the standards.

I appreciate your opinion that it's a shit idea, by it would be more helpful if you explained why... knowing that red wine stains things red (which is a good start). If you have tried it and it turned out shit, then explain why that happened... as other posters have found, wine staining things isn't something new and totally weird!
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Old 11-13-2012, 07:27 PM   #10
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Explorerbuilder & rahmanwarsi123: stain isn't that cheap. You mention using other materials (such as wine, which permanently stains everything when you don't want it to) is sub-par to using real stains for guitars which will produce a super awesome stain job... from what I have found, stains designed for guitars are upwards of $18 each, and you need a couple at least to mix and customise the tint. Wine is upwards of $3 a bottle.



I have no idea what kind of stains you are using... But you can get analyine dye made for guitars, for 4 bucks, which makes over 2 quarts of stain... I have had the same cup that i ordered 3 years ago already, and am still not out.

No excuses, dye and stain is cheap, use it.
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Old 11-13-2012, 07:31 PM   #11
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I have no idea what kind of stains you are using... But you can get analyine dye made for guitars, for 4 bucks, which makes over 2 quarts of stain... I have had the same cup that i ordered 3 years ago already, and am still not out.

No excuses, dye and stain is cheap, use it.


Where abouts did you get the stain from? I've looked at some hardware stores for wood stains (not a great option but thought it'd be cheaper at least) and it was still pretty pricey... I also found some on Stewmac.com which are about $18 a bottle
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Old 11-13-2012, 10:40 PM   #12
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If you've got some wine, give it a try, no one will stop you. Just make sure you drink the rest after finishing, otherwise it might get sloppy.
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Old 11-14-2012, 02:04 AM   #13
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The stew mac ones you are looking at are the liquid stains. Even though they are expensive, you need maybe 1 drop to stain an entire guitar when mixed with alcohol.

Here are some powdered dyes from LMI that i use.

http://www.lmii.com/CartTwo/thirdpr...Alcohol+Soluble

http://www.lmii.com/CartTwo/thirdpr...s+Water+Soluble
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Old 11-14-2012, 09:40 AM   #14
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Most of what people do is stupid and pointless.

Fire was a bad idea.

Sure, it keeps you warm and let's you see at night, but cover yourself with furs and a good woman or two and you'll be warm enough and what did you want to see anyway?

OTOH : It did lead to pretty much everything we take for granted now.

If the guy wants to stain his guitar with wine, I say go for it.

If he wants to try the same thing with piss, go for it and keep it away from me.

It's his guitar.
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Old 11-14-2012, 10:10 AM   #15
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If he wants to try the same thing with piss, go for it and keep it away from me.

It's his guitar.


someone should do a plexiglass guitar with actual liquids in it thats a tribute to Metallica's Load
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Old 11-14-2012, 10:16 AM   #16
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someone should do a plexiglass guitar with actual liquids in it thats a tribute to Metallica's Load


Does it have to sound Horrible, too?
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Old 11-14-2012, 12:09 PM   #17
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Does it have to sound Horrible, too?


I was alluring to the blood/semen on the cover art.
And then also remembered that Kirk Hammet has got a plastic telecaster with water in it


And all this talk of wine staining makes me want to actually attempt it, I made a simple outdoor bench for sitting on last weekend, maybe this weekend I'll try how much half a cup of red wine does to it
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Old 11-14-2012, 03:46 PM   #18
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I like the idea, get some wine and try it. I don't know how well wine in perticular works but ancient peoples have made due with less.
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I like the idea, get some wine and try it. I don't know how well wine in perticular works but ancient peoples have made due with less.


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Old 11-14-2012, 04:01 PM   #20
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Most of what people do is stupid and pointless.

Fire was a bad idea.

Sure, it keeps you warm and let's you see at night, but cover yourself with furs and a good woman or two and you'll be warm enough and what did you want to see anyway?

OTOH : It did lead to pretty much everything we take for granted now.

If the guy wants to stain his guitar with wine, I say go for it.

If he wants to try the same thing with piss, go for it and keep it away from me.

It's his guitar.

Well obviously, he can do what he wants, but he came here asking about it so...

i think the basic idea is that instead of trying to save a couple of dollars and possibly opening a can of worms, he can just get a wine colored dye and do what is known to work.

Personally, I think the whole finishing process is a huge pain, so I'd go with what it known and has lots of online tutorials and whatnot.
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