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Old 11-14-2012, 10:44 PM   #81
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And the whole racism thing. Even Arab jews are discriminated against.


It's funny how Israel, a supposedly jewish state, actually discriminates. It really takes the whole "haven't learned anything from history" to a new level.

- An Arab


You have no idea, when Sudanese refugees came asking for help, Israelis marched the streets to send them back to Sudan to their deaths, and it reminded me of the whole Kristallnacht thing.... Talk about forgetting history....

Sometimes i want to destroy all stupid people.......
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Old 11-14-2012, 10:56 PM   #82
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Of course. That's much more important than the religious aspect of it, but it's hard to deny that religion does influence the feelings of hatred from both sides.


How so?

Like I said, they've lived together peacefully for ages. There have been Jews in Jerusalem almost nonstop since they originally settled there thousands of years ago. The only time there ever weren't Jews there was when the Christian Crusaders kicked them out. If religion is so fundamental to it all, why did they live together for so long without these kind of problems?
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Old 11-14-2012, 11:00 PM   #83
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How so?

Like I said, they've lived together peacefully for ages. There have been Jews in Jerusalem almost nonstop since they originally settled there thousands of years ago. The only time there ever weren't Jews there was when the Christian Crusaders kicked them out. If religion is so fundamental to it all, why did they live together for so long without these kind of problems?


This isn't about their shared history that goes back thousands of years. That has nothing to do with what I said before about how the Palestinians aren't allowed access to Jerusalem. It makes sense that being denied access to your holy city would piss you off, ya know?
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Old 11-14-2012, 11:04 PM   #84
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So what, are they at war yet
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Old 11-14-2012, 11:07 PM   #85
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So what, are they at war yet


It's still developing, it most likely will turn into a full war though, i don't want that again
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Old 11-14-2012, 11:08 PM   #86
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Nah man, it wouldn't be in anyone's favor at this point for troop deployment. This isn't only about Palestine and Israel at this point.

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You have no idea, when Sudanese refugees came asking for help, Israelis marched the streets to send them back to Sudan to their deaths, and it reminded me of the whole Kristallnacht thing.... Talk about forgetting history....

Sometimes i want to destroy all stupid people.......

Wow, that's really sad. I can never understand people who are against giving refugees the refuge they need, or against helping the homeless or against giving away free food or anything in that regard.


I'm all too familiar with that feeling, man.
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Old 11-14-2012, 11:09 PM   #87
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So what, are they at war yet


Yes, but both sides are reluctantly holding back from launching the hash tags due to their shared fear of the dire consequences.
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Old 11-15-2012, 01:14 AM   #88
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This isn't about their shared history that goes back thousands of years. That has nothing to do with what I said before about how the Palestinians aren't allowed access to Jerusalem. It makes sense that being denied access to your holy city would piss you off, ya know?


Of course, but you gotta think that its counterproductive to concede more territory to a group which has been unceasingly hostile. It's not like Hamas won't want to **** up Israel anymore once they get Jerusalem.
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Old 11-15-2012, 06:19 AM   #89
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Hamas stated it will carry out a revenge plan on Israel by sending in suicide bombers and declaring a state of open war.


Nukes vs. Suicide bombers? Israel must be cringing in fear.

Whenever I hear suicide bomber, it always takes me back to what Patton said about the Japanese that "No sorry son of bitch ever won a war by dying for his country. The object is to make the other side, die for his country."
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Old 11-15-2012, 06:24 AM   #90
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To be honest, calling everyone on a website 'jerks' while telling someone on said website not to 'act like a twerp' is a bit hypocritical.

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Nukes vs. Suicide bombers? Israel must be cringing in fear.


You do know that the Palestinian territories are right next door to Israel don't you?

How could anyone possibly justify using weapons that are likely to wipe out large numbers of their own population on an enemy?
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Old 11-15-2012, 06:53 AM   #91
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Of course. That's much more important than the religious aspect of it, but it's hard to deny that religion does influence the feelings of hatred from both sides.


It's more about American/European imperialism than Judaism v. Islam. There were Jews living in Palestine before Zionism, and they got on fine with the Muslims and actually resented the whole immigration thing. I think the religious divide is a kind of rhetorical thing.
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Old 11-15-2012, 07:15 AM   #92
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You do know that the Palestinian territories are right next door to Israel don't you?

How could anyone possibly justify using weapons that are likely to wipe out large numbers of their own population on an enemy?


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They could use a smaller one, perfectly placed, and get away with it. But even non-nuke ICBm's would put their determination to the test.
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Old 11-15-2012, 08:31 AM   #93
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Well, for one thing, I think starting another war is ****ing stupid and terrible, but on the other hand, people are being killed by the daily, unprovoked, rocket strikes on civilian targets in Israel.

****ing Hamas. I really want the Palestinians to have an independent country, but Hamas leadership means war, death, and human rights being trampled.
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Well, for one thing, I think starting another war is ****ing stupid and terrible, but on the other hand, people are being killed by the daily, unprovoked, rocket strikes on civilian targets in Israel.

****ing Hamas. I really want the Palestinians to have an independent country, but Hamas leadership means war, death, and human rights being trampled.


I'm aware this argument has happened a million times on here. But it's pretty unfair to say that the rocket strikes are 'unprovoked'. What about the whole Gaza strip thing? I don't like the fact that Hamas fire rockets at civilians, but it's common knowledge that the IDF kills far more civilians than the IDF. Whatever way you look at it (and I like to think that I have a pretty fair perspective, coming from a country that is also plagued by territorial dispute and religious/ethnic hatred) the Israeli government has to accept a major part of the 'blame' for what has happened in Palestine. If the Israeli government started treating Palestinians as human beings, and acknowledged that they have an equal right to live in the region as any American/European Jew, you might actually get somewhere. The reason we have peace in Northern Ireland right now is because the British entered into a genuine dialogue with Republican terrorists, granted concessions, and stopped any (perceived) human rights abuses. Doing the same thing is Israel's responsibility if it wants to portray itself as the 'civilised' side of the conflict.
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I'm aware this argument has happened a million times on here. But it's pretty unfair to say that the rocket strikes are 'unprovoked'. What about the whole Gaza strip thing? I don't like the fact that Hamas fire rockets at civilians, but it's common knowledge that the IDF kills far more civilians than the IDF. Whatever way you look at it (and I like to think that I have a pretty fair perspective, coming from a country that is also plagued by territorial dispute and religious/ethnic hatred) the Israeli government has to accept a major part of the 'blame' for what has happened in Palestine. If the Israeli government started treating Palestinians as human beings, and acknowledged that they have an equal right to live in the region as any American/European Jew, you might actually get somewhere. The reason we have peace in Northern Ireland right now is because the British entered into a genuine dialogue with Republican terrorists, granted concessions, and stopped any (perceived) human rights abuses. Doing the same thing is Israel's responsibility if it wants to portray itself as the 'civilised' side of the conflict.


The current problems are because of recent heavy rocket attacks on southern Israel, they are unprovoked, as far as i know, nothing significant has changed before it started. Even though the IDF does wind up with more blood on its hands, its mostly because they have inferior defence resources yet pick a fight with a country of Israel's military strength, not because its more malicious than Hamas. It would be pretty naive to expect Israel to not take retaliatory actions.
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This might sound like a stupid q - but why have the Americans stated support for Israel in this event and the UK Foreign Secretary just said that Hamas "bears principal responsibility"?

In this specific instance, Israel killed their leader. I don't quite understand the support?

I understand the American-Israeli relationship somewhat, but I don't see how they can stand behind them with this particular event. And I don't see how Hamas bears principal responsibility... for allowing their leader to be bombed?
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This might sound like a stupid q - but why have the Americans stated support for Israel in this event and the UK Foreign Secretary just said that Hamas "bears principal responsibility"?

In this specific instance, Israel killed their leader. I don't quite understand the support?

I understand the American-Israeli relationship somewhat, but I don't see how they can stand behind them with this particular event. And I don't see how Hamas bears principal responsibility... for allowing their leader to be bombed?


Hamas decides to fire missiles at southern Israel, apparently over 130 of them in the last 3 days, Israel says "**** that" and goes for some targeted strikes, killing an important Hamas commander and a few other people.

Hamas threw the first punch.
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Okay, cheers. Never knew about that cause it wasn't in any news coverage before Jaabari's death.
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to be quite frank, very few media outlets even care enough to report attacks against Israel. It may seem like a bit of a grand statement but it seems that there is a slight bias against them. I heard it from a lot of people but thought they were bullshitting for the most part. After google searching articles about the recent attacks, not many mainstream outlets covered it, the vast majority of results were Israeli sources or Jewish news outlets. If Israel attacks others for whatever reason, everyone will be on that shit.
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