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Old 11-15-2012, 12:49 AM   #1
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The material an electric guitar is made of makes no differnce.

Alright, I'm starting a thread for this.
So, everyone wants to believe that the wood their guitar is made of makes a difference with the tone when it's plugged in.
I can tell you it doesn't.
The best evidence for this is fingerboard inlays. Let's say you have a Les Paul with block inlays. Does your tone change when you hit the 3rd, 5th, and 7th fret? The inlay is a completely different material than the rosewood, right?

Body wood doesn't matter either. When you hit a string, it creates a magnetic disturbance that the pickup picks up (hence pickup), and that goes to your amp's loud speaker and recreated. It pretty well known wood doesn't really have any magnetic properties. The wood isn't going to change what freq. a pickup picks up.

I will argue that wood will make a difference in sustain and other things like that, just not tone.

So, why DO people believe wood makes a tonal difference? It's just the companies. They're going to make more money if people believe that wood makes a difference. They stay with wood just because it's traditional and since there are so many different types...
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Old 11-15-2012, 12:54 AM   #2
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Rather than investing in "high quality" woods, should I buy $100 cable instead for my toanz?
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Old 11-15-2012, 12:57 AM   #4
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My brain is screaming that you're just a really bad troll, but as I know Google will lead kiddies who don't know better here, yes, wood affects your tone.

It's all about which vibrations the wood carries and how it does it. It's science, kiddies, and if you don't have a science degree, don't try and argue it.
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Old 11-15-2012, 12:57 AM   #5
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Rather than investing in "high quality" woods, should I buy $100 cable instead for my toanz?


Nope. Cable is another thing I know of quite a bit, too. Higher end cables do send more frequencies, but none a human being can hear.
So if you're a dog, go for it.
If you're a human, go for "high quality" pickups, amps, and speakers.

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Old 11-15-2012, 12:58 AM   #6
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My brain is screaming that you're just a really bad troll, but as I know Google will lead kiddies who don't know better here, yes, wood affects your tone.

It's all about which vibrations the wood carries and how it does it. It's science, kiddies, and if you don't have a science degree, don't try and argue it.


The vibrations the wood carries is for things like sustain. Not the tone.
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Old 11-15-2012, 01:01 AM   #7
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The vibrations the wood carries is for things like sustain. Not the tone.

Nope, the vibrations affect the tone.
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Old 11-15-2012, 01:02 AM   #8
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Do you have any further reading about this or just your own findings?
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Nope, the vibrations affect the tone.


What makes tone A different from tone B?
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The vibrations the wood carries is for things like sustain. Not the tone.

And if certain frequencies vibrate better than others, they'll carry through. Thus affecting tone. Density and mass affect sustain, wood hardness affects absorption of soundwaves.
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All this talk about wood and vibrations.
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What makes tone A different from tone B?

The wood.

I would go into more detail, but you have a habit of ignoring what I say when you can't argue against it.
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Do you have any further reading about this or just your own findings?


That moment when you forgot to upload 'em links:

http://www.guitarsquid.com/posts/un.../12171/?frame=1
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Old 11-15-2012, 01:06 AM   #14
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The wood.

I would go into more detail, but you have a habit of ignoring what I say when you can't argue against it.


Fine, I'll do it: tone is just what frequencies are put out there. So, you hit a string on an electric, wood makes a tonal difference when you just here it, but once it goes through your pickups and to your amp, it doesn't.
At all.
Pickups don't hear anything, they just feel magnetic vibrations.
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Old 11-15-2012, 01:07 AM   #15
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http://www.jemsite.com/forums/f30/w...one-119924.html
http://www.tdpri.com/forum/tele-hom...ence-sound.html
http://www.jemsite.com/forums/f30/w...one-119924.html
http://www.tdpri.com/forum/telecast...h-vs-alder.html

You're not going to be the one to swoop in and answer this unless you present physical evidence. Let's say I grant that the neck woods don't matter. Now, I've granted your neck argument, how do you prove, with evidence, that the body woods don't matter? You can't use your neck example because I've already granted it for the sake of argument. Necks =/= bodies. A statement like "this also doesn't matter" isn't proof, it's just an assertion.

http://ratcliffe.co.za/articles/bodywoods.shtml

Let's even say I grant your conspiracy theory. The fact remains that the reasons you give why tonewoods don't matter are no more convincing than the reasons others give why they do matter. Until you present evidence, you have no case for conspiracy.

This is a stupid thing to argue about. If you believe there is a guitar conspiracy to push more expensive woods on consumers, do the research, report your findings to the appropriate media outlets and become famous. Until then, shut up. This is, incidentally, the exact same point I make with creationists and 9/11 truthers. The irony is not lost on me.
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That moment when you forgot to upload 'em links:

http://www.guitarsquid.com/posts/un.../12171/?frame=1

Your link isn't working, but it says "exotic tone woods" and "sound tone purists beware." I obviously can't read it, but I would wager it's talking about the 10,000 year old swamp ash compared to regular swamp ash (which even then, will have an effect). To say Brazilian rosewood and African rosewood won't make a difference is a little presumptive, but to say rosewood and mahogany don't make any difference is just ignorant.
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So, why DO people believe wood makes a tonal difference? It's just the companies. They're going to make more money if people believe that wood makes a difference. They stay with wood just because it's traditional and since there are so many different types...
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Your link isn't working, but it says "exotic tone woods" and "sound tone purists beware." I obviously can't read it, but I would wager it's talking about the 10,000 year old swamp ash compared to regular swamp ash (which even then, will have an effect). To say Brazilian rosewood and African rosewood won't make a difference is a little presumptive, but to say rosewood and mahogany don't make any difference is just ignorant.


Understand this: I'm not saying wood doesn't change tone; it just doesn't matter when you're plugged in. The tone you hear from your amp is just pickups and pots. No two pickups are the same and the distance the pickup is from the strings makes a difference too.

Well, I really gotta do my homework. I'll be back for all of this tomorrow!
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You might want to check that link or find another source. It's not loading- the guitarsquid may be guitarcalimari...
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http://www.tdpri.com/forum/tele-hom...ence-sound.html
http://www.jemsite.com/forums/f30/w...one-119924.html
http://www.tdpri.com/forum/telecast...h-vs-alder.html

You're not going to be the one to swoop in and answer this unless you present physical evidence. Let's say I grant that the neck woods don't matter. Now, I've granted your neck argument, how do you prove, with evidence, that the body woods don't matter? You can't use your neck example because I've already granted it for the sake of argument. Necks =/= bodies. A statement like "this also doesn't matter" isn't proof, it's just an assertion.

http://ratcliffe.co.za/articles/bodywoods.shtml

Let's even say I grant your conspiracy theory. The fact remains that the reasons you give why tonewoods don't matter are no more convincing than the reasons others give why they do matter. Until you present evidence, you have no case for conspiracy.

This is a stupid thing to argue about. If you believe there is a guitar conspiracy to push more expensive woods on consumers, do the research, report your findings to the appropriate media outlets and become famous. Until then, shut up. This is, incidentally, the exact same point I make with creationists and 9/11 truthers. The irony is not lost on me.


This difference people hear is from their pickups. No two pickups are the same, and those few more wounds make a pretty big difference.

I really gotta go!
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