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Old 11-17-2012, 12:00 AM   #1
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marshall vs. marshall

hey guys i was wondering. for a foo fighters kind of crunchy sound (but that can handle hi gain too) what would be better between a marshall haze mhz40c and a marshall dsl40c. i play an epiphone wildkat, and a fender standard strat
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Old 11-17-2012, 12:04 AM   #2
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I think the DSL is a lot more versatile than the Haze, and a better value. Between the two that would be my choice.

However the DSL40C is new and I haven't played it yet. Apparently the new 15 watt DSLs are pretty bad so hopefully they stuck with Original Recipe on the 40s.
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Old 11-17-2012, 12:08 AM   #3
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gregs said they aren't that good, and the new 100 watt head I tried was fizzier than club soda.

You may want to look for a used Marshall JCM900 SL-X. otherwise fill out this form so we can help you better. http://www.ultimate-guitar.com/foru...d.php?t=1387138
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Old 11-17-2012, 01:20 AM   #5
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However the DSL40C is new and I haven't played it yet. Apparently the new 15 watt DSLs are pretty bad so hopefully they stuck with Original Recipe on the 40s.

i hope you are right, but i doubt they did.
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Old 11-17-2012, 09:42 AM   #6
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Go for a used JCM2000 DSL401c and you'll be set.
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Old 11-17-2012, 06:33 PM   #7
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I played the 100watt last week at long and mcquade.

sounded like shit. It was wayy too fizzy. You could tell that the true marshall tone was there, just covered in fizz
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Old 11-17-2012, 07:09 PM   #8
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I actually saw the DSL head at my local GC, I kind of wanted to try it, but I didn't have time. The original DSLs were already kind of fizzy, if the new ones are more so, than I would stay away and see if you can find something used, because I have played the 40 and 15 watt Haze and underwhelming would be a generous rating. Some of the suggestions here have been good, I like the idea of the DSL401 combo, it has EL84 tubes which I would think would help it to get closer to the Vox sound that Dave Grohl uses on a lot of stuff, but it can still get pretty heavy as well.
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I tried the 100 watt head at Sam Ash a few weeks back, and I thought it was a little more fizzy than the old DSL's, but not much. I think the main issue is that the stock speakers for the cabs and the stock tubes just suck. I would say if you re-tubed it with some JJ's and put it on a cab that had some better speakers, it would sound brilliant. I was actually surprised by how it sounded, as I expected much, much less.

I really think these thigns are just sleeping giants in the budget amp world. If I had the money, I would take one for the team and buy one, retube it, and play it through a better cab. Hell, if I could, I would see if they would let me just swap out preamp tubes and put it on a better cab in-store to try it. I also blame some of the fiziness on not being able to crank it. I thought the older DSL's kinda smoothed out a bit after you started getting some volume cranking out of them.

Honestly, if someone can try them out through a Jet City cab, that might be a good combo. They're both budget-minded, and I was reading in another forum where a guy bought a JCA24S that he paried with a Marshall head and he was pleased with how it reduced some of the fiziness in the amp and warmed up his tone some.
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Old 11-17-2012, 11:05 PM   #10
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I played the 100watt last week at long and mcquade.

sounded like shit. It was wayy too fizzy. You could tell that the true marshall tone was there, just covered in fizz

They haven't put decent tubes in a Marshall since the JCM900. There's your fizz. What speakers were in it? That would account for the rest of the fizz. If Marshall put decent tubes and speakers in their amps I reckon they'd sell a hell of a lot more amps. First impressions count as you just demonstrated.
If Ferrari put shitty Chinese tyres on their cars they wouldn't sell any either - wouldn't make them a bad car but it would make it a good car with shit tyres but that would give the impression that it was a shit car. That describes all modern Marshalls and most new amps in general really. We have entered an era where you have to budget in a full retube any time you buy a mass produced amp.
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Old 11-17-2012, 11:28 PM   #11
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Foo Fighters? I thought David Grohl played Dual Rectifiers for all the non-clean stuff..
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Old 11-18-2012, 12:16 AM   #12
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Foo Fighters? I thought David Grohl played Dual Rectifiers for all the non-clean stuff..

Correct. Mesa for dirt, AC30 for cleans.
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Correct. Mesa for dirt, AC30 for cleans.
Actually recently they've been using ac30's as main dirt, for the majority of the wasting light tour and in recording, and the whole of nothing left to lose was recorded on an ac30, with occasional use of a rat
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Old 11-18-2012, 06:03 AM   #14
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Old 11-18-2012, 08:32 AM   #15
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They haven't put decent tubes in a Marshall since the JCM900. There's your fizz. What speakers were in it? That would account for the rest of the fizz. If Marshall put decent tubes and speakers in their amps I reckon they'd sell a hell of a lot more amps. First impressions count as you just demonstrated.
If Ferrari put shitty Chinese tyres on their cars they wouldn't sell any either - wouldn't make them a bad car but it would make it a good car with shit tyres but that would give the impression that it was a shit car. That describes all modern Marshalls and most new amps in general really. We have entered an era where you have to budget in a full retube any time you buy a mass produced amp.


I completel agree. I was playing it through a marshall 412 with v30's I do believe.
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Old 11-19-2012, 05:52 AM   #16
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I completel agree. I was playing it through a marshall 412 with v30's I do believe.


Personally, I think V30's can be fizzy, especially with certain amps. I think Marshalls benefit more from a smoother speaker. I mean, when it comes to some of the big Marshall players that I think of when I hear the name, most of them don't use V30's. I mean, I think of:

Slash: V30
Kerry King: K100
Zakk Wylde: Custom EVM
Gary Moore: T75
Dave Mustaine: V30
James Hetfield: T75
Angus Young: Greenback (supposedly V30's on some of the newer stuff)
Brent Hinds: T75
Dave Murray: T75
Billy Gibbons: T75
Jimi Hendrix: Greenbacks and T75's
Yngwie Malmsteen: T75

More often than not, Marshalls are paired with T75's. I mean, considering their most famous cab is loaded with those, it makes sense that they would be used most often with this speaker, not to mention voiced with the T75 in mind as the speaker they are likely to be used with. Correct me if I'm wrong, but wasn't the entire Thrash scene started with JCM's and 1960 cabs behind the guitarists? Even though Mustaine is known more for using V30's now, I bet he had T75's in his cabs in the glory days.
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Dave has always used a multitude of amps, but listen to some foos and you will definitely here some ac30 dirt in there. I know at one time he was big on recs, but I definitely here plenty of ac30, especially on the newes album
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In short: In these two videos one can see a Fender Bassman combo, A Vox AC30 (Handwired i think), a hiwatt custom and, suprisingly, a Peavey 6505.
In a rack off to the left in the second vid there are some Fender heads, of which I am not sure of the model, and hat appears to be two Suhr Custom Audio Amplifiers.

I may have missed something, but that would appear to be the bulk of their current tonez machines

EDIT: There is a rack off to the right in vid 2, which looks like it contains more peaveys, but I can't be sure
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3:28 you see Chris in front of a VOX and a Friedman.
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Personally, I think V30's can be fizzy, especially with certain amps. I think Marshalls benefit more from a smoother speaker. I mean, when it comes to some of the big Marshall players that I think of when I hear the name, most of them don't use V30's. I mean, I think of:

Slash: V30
Kerry King: K100
Zakk Wylde: Custom EVM
Gary Moore: T75
Dave Mustaine: V30
James Hetfield: T75
Angus Young: Greenback (supposedly V30's on some of the newer stuff)
Brent Hinds: T75
Dave Murray: T75
Billy Gibbons: T75
Jimi Hendrix: Greenbacks and T75's
Yngwie Malmsteen: T75

More often than not, Marshalls are paired with T75's. I mean, considering their most famous cab is loaded with those, it makes sense that they would be used most often with this speaker, not to mention voiced with the T75 in mind as the speaker they are likely to be used with. Correct me if I'm wrong, but wasn't the entire Thrash scene started with JCM's and 1960 cabs behind the guitarists? Even though Mustaine is known more for using V30's now, I bet he had T75's in his cabs in the glory days.

Gary Moore used EV's, not Celestions. But I agree, V30's don't suit most Marshalls.
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