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Old 11-25-2012, 01:58 PM   #1
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urgent (first world problems) help please? New tuners

Hi guys, i posted in GB&C a few weeks ago and got no help, and its getting to the time i kinda need to order things now, so could anyone perhaps provide me with new machine head recommendations?

I'm getting my Hutchins Regal (bastard lovechild of a Gretsch and a Gibson ES-335) rewired, re-tremolo'd (bigsby B7), re-nutted (Graphtech Tusq XL), and thought it'd be worth going for new tuners as well!

It looks to have some imitation/no-name Grovers on there at the moment, more-or-less identical to the stock Grovers on my Epiphone. A few blurry webcam webcam:




The main thing is i'm not sure about the size of the bore hold i have (i haven't taken the one tuners off). Is there a big difference between them?

Should i go for locking? As tuning stability has always been an issue, and i do want to get the most out of my Bigsby.
My Jazzmaster has always been great at staying in tune, without need for locking tuners (although the vintage fender-style tuners are hell for restringing).

I don't want to spend a great deal, as most of the money is going in to the Bigsby and the rewiring, but i'm sure any tuners will be an improvement.
Around the 50 mark, but willing to go a bit higher if it's really worth it.

I love the look of the more vintage gibson style, trapezoid tuner pegs, but that's merely an aesthetic standpoint, although the kluson style tuners on my mate's 'Les Paul Studio 60's' were great, look the part, and the turning ratio was really nice and responsive.

Something like this perhaps?
http://www.thomann.de/gb/schaller_s...uner_nickel.htm
or this:
http://www.thomann.de/gb/gotoh_sd90mg_nickel.htm
But i'm not sure of the sizing or quality of either.

If i have to go for Grover style to fit the holes already in my headstock, then perhaps these are a good way to go?
http://www.thomann.de/gb/grover_rotogrip_502c_chrom.htm

I'm in the UK, so UK or EU based sites are best.

Cheers for any advice
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Old 11-25-2012, 02:28 PM   #2
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You already know the first step. Pull one off and find the proper size.
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Old 11-25-2012, 02:41 PM   #3
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That's what i was afraid of haha. Maybe i'll do that when i take it to the tch to be rewired next weekend, cos the strings are being replaced anyway, i don't really want to leave it unstrung for too long...

Or maybe in the week when i get bored.

How close doe the bore hole have to be to the shaft size? All i have is a ruler, and can't realy measure accurately below a millimeter. If its gotta be done to the .1 of a mil, i might have to borrow one from my Grandad if i get a chance
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Old 11-25-2012, 02:45 PM   #4
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Old 11-26-2012, 03:43 PM   #5
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OK, so i've taken a tuner off and it looks like the hole is about 10.5mm, as expected from a chinese made guitar.

So what would be a good tuner to go for? Is it worth getting something that is locking to go with the tremolo and tusq nut?

I'm looking at spending around the 50 mark.

I really like the look (and price) of the Schaller ST6K, but that has a bore-size of 9.8mm.

Cheers for any recommendation

edit: scouting around, some i have found some from Kluson with 10mm shafts:
the on budget
http://www.thomann.de/gb/kluson_mbg...k_tuners_90.htm

or slightly below budget (and nicer looking i my opinion)
http://www.thomann.de/gb/kluson_mlt33n_lockheads.htm

will the extra 0.2mm make a difference? Otherwise, where could i get something that lets me use a smaller shaft in this bore hole?

the current tuners i have (no-name grover-style) have got a hollow shaft which screw in to the tuners from the front to secure them. Could this just be used with the new tuners?
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Old 11-26-2012, 05:23 PM   #6
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Planet Waves locking tuners are great. Solid, reasonably priced, 18:1 ratio and they auto trim/snip.

http://www.planetwaves.com/pwProduc...ng_Machines_3_3
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Old 11-26-2012, 05:34 PM   #7
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they sound pretty solid, can you remember what size the bore holes were though on them?
They do seem to be in the upper end of the price range, plus the fact im in the UK, but i'll consider them!

I'm not fussed by the idea of the auto-trim, i'm sure it's helpful, but i don't want to pay extra for bells and whistles.
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