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It is right to kill the one for the five in both situations, but I could not push the fat man 49 44.55%
It is right to kill the one for the five, and I could push the fat man (psychopath) 41 37.27%
It is not right to kill the one for the five in either situation 20 18.18%
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Old 11-25-2012, 06:58 PM   #181
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Well they are. The fact that you think that inaction is equally to affirmative action is clearly not one held by the rest of society or they would be viewed equally in the eyes of the law.


The legal system and it's laws fails societies around the Earth on a daily basis, sir. Whether something is illegal or legal has little to no correlation on whether or not it is morally correct.
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Old 11-25-2012, 07:01 PM   #182
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The legal system and it's laws fails societies around the Earth on a daily basis, sir. Whether something is illegal or legal has little to no correlation on whether or not it is morally correct.

I wouldn't say that it had little to no correlation, many laws are placed down that are in fact, perfectly moral. But that isn't to say that all laws are completely moral either, there are too many examples of laws not meeting what is considered fair. But to say that few to none are fair at all? Nah.
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Old 11-25-2012, 07:02 PM   #183
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This has to be the shittiest hypothetical situation based on moral ambiguity. Then to define and dictate someone as a psychopath by either choosing a lesser of two evils makes absolutely no sense.

The definition of a Psychopath is a person suffering from a chronic mental disorder with abnormal and or violent social behavior.

Does a psychopath with a moral compass usually look to kill the lesser evil?
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By definition, sure they wouldn't be couldn't murderers. What I mean is, their (moral) crimes are on the same level.

Again, people, I'm not seeing how choosing not to save somebody who can be easily saved doesn't qualify as evil, or how doing that five times over isn't at least as evil as one murder. Explain that. Somebody.


The because the fat person has exactly the same right to life as all of those people, and he is not related to the problem - thus you can't destroy his right to life in order to save the life of those who have theirs imperiled due to no action of his.

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There is not a direct correlation, but there is clearly a correlation.
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Old 11-25-2012, 07:08 PM   #187
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Yes, but that doesn't mean that your life is worthless. It's all about giving it a meaning for yourself.


i agree. though we are straying from topic i just wanted to see if there is a capability to actually add a measurable value to life and in turn their deaths and to be honest the answer is no.

what i mean by that is that any decision that is only based on numbers ultimately would be worthless.

any decision will be made by an emotional response and a sociopath would not care either way he would care more about why the train is late.

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The because the fat person has exactly the same right to life as all of those people, and he is not related to the problem - thus you can't destroy his right to life in order to save the life of those who have theirs imperiled due to no action of his.


yes.

there is the option to try and free the 5 people even though you Know its futile.

the sociopath would not throw the fat man into than tracks as it takes longer to get a derailed train going than it takes to clear 5 bodies (pluss by keeping out of it he isnt involved in a situation he dosnt want t be in)
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Old 11-25-2012, 07:17 PM   #188
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i agree. though we are straying from topic i just wanted to see if there is a capability to actually add a measurable value to life and in turn their deaths and to be honest the answer is no.

what i mean by that is that any decision that is only based on numbers ultimately would be worthless.

The point of atheism is to give your own life meaning so that it does have value for yourself and those around you, rather than letting a religion make that decision for you. There is absolutely nothing wrong with that.
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Old 11-25-2012, 07:20 PM   #189
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The because the fat person has exactly the same right to life as all of those people, and he is not related to the problem - thus you can't destroy his right to life in order to save the life of those who have theirs imperiled due to no action of his.



There is not a direct correlation, but there is clearly a correlation.



Him not being related to the problem just makes it emotionally difficult to decide to push him. It doesn't make his life more valuable than five lives.


And again, the correlation is weak at best.
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The point of atheism is to give your own life meaning so that it does have value for yourself and those around you, rather than letting a religion make that decision for you. There is absolutely nothing wrong with that.


I hate to help you guys sidetrack the discussion, but there really isn't a point of atheism.
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I hate to help you guys sidetrack the discussion, but there really isn't a point of atheism.

That's the way i personally interpret it. You can't really blame me for giving my own life a purpose.
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The point of atheism is to give your own life meaning so that it does have value for yourself and those around you, rather than letting a religion make that decision for you. There is absolutely nothing wrong with that.


i said i agreed, my point was that thinking with only logic and numbers isn't how we make our decisions, that life doesn't have a numerical value that can be multiplied added or subtracted that life is illogical (not wrong)
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That's the way i personally interpret it. You can't really blame me for giving my own life a purpose.

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i said i agreed, my point was that thinking with only logic and numbers isn't how we make our decisions, that life doesn't have a numerical value that can be multiplied added or subtracted that life is illogical (not wrong)

Ah, i read your post again (carefully) and i see where you're coming from. It was just that with your pessimistic attitude from the post before i thought it directly implied that all life is meaningless whatever way you look at it.

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Ah, i read your post again (carefully) and i see where you're coming from. It was just that with your pessimistic attitude from the post before i thought it directly implied that all life is meaningless whatever way you look at it.

My mistake.



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i have the habit of playing devil's advocate far too much then switching sides mid discussion XD
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Ah, i read your post again (carefully) and i see where you're coming from. It was just that with your pessimistic attitude from the post before i thought it directly implied that all life is meaningless whatever way you look at it.

My mistake.


I know this isn't directed at me... But so what if it is meaningless? Would that detract from your enjoyment of life? Should it?
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ffs at least give the name of who you insulting.


The guy in the video. Wasn't that obvious?
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