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It is right to kill the one for the five in both situations, but I could not push the fat man 49 44.55%
It is right to kill the one for the five, and I could push the fat man (psychopath) 41 37.27%
It is not right to kill the one for the five in either situation 20 18.18%
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Old 11-25-2012, 12:17 PM   #21
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Yes because all lives have the same value. The suicidal people shouldn't die.
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Old 11-25-2012, 12:17 PM   #22
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just HOW fat though? maybe he has enough mass to stop the train without taking too much damage himself, it's worth the gamble
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Old 11-25-2012, 12:18 PM   #23
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Old 11-25-2012, 12:18 PM   #24
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just HOW fat though? maybe he has enough mass to stop the train without taking too much damage himself, it's worth the gamble

Not as fat as your mom.
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Old 11-25-2012, 12:19 PM   #25
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No, how is it my choice to decide who lives or dies? Why should the fat man die?
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Old 11-25-2012, 12:19 PM   #26
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Okay.

There's five people in hospital, all will die in an hour if they don't get the organ they need. One needs a heart, another a liver, two need kidneys and one needs a major skin graft. In the waiting room there is a healthy man of the correct blood type who's waiting to pick up a prescription for athletes foot. Do you kill him and save the other five?


I wouldn't do it. Perhaps it would be the morally correct thing to do, but due to emotional thinking I would not be able to do that. Which is why the argument made in the video that the psychopath would be able to see past the emotional thinking and save the five is interesting.


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Old 11-25-2012, 12:21 PM   #27
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Not as fat as your mom.

the **** does that even mean

so he could still be potentially big enough, then i'm all for it
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Old 11-25-2012, 12:22 PM   #28
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That guy kinda looks like a 45 year old Barney Stinson with bad hair :S

But yeah, kill 1 to save 5.
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Old 11-25-2012, 12:23 PM   #29
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I would flick the switch, unless the one person trapped was someone close to me, and the others weren't.

I would never have pushed the fat guy, though.

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the **** does that even mean

so he could still be potentially big enough, then i'm all for it

In short, it means that he would be able to stop the train.
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Old 11-25-2012, 12:24 PM   #30
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@ Ichikurosaki, it was just a joke, didn't think it was hard to get.

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just HOW fat though? maybe he has enough mass to stop the train without taking too much damage himself, it's worth the gamble

That would have to be a pretty fat person.

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the **** does that even mean

Your mom is even fatter then the man who was fat enough to stop a speeding train.
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No, how is it my choice to decide who lives or dies? Why should the fat man die?


By not acting you've chosen that the five will die. Ignoring the situation doesn't change the fact that you could have saved five people and didn't.
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By not acting you've chosen that the five will die. Ignoring the situation doesn't change the fact that you could have saved five people and didn't.

It also invovles that you wouldn't have directly killed someone.
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By not acting you've chosen that the five will die. Ignoring the situation doesn't change the fact that you could have saved five people and didn't.


You haven't chosen to make five die, you've simply chosen not to kill to prevent their deaths. One option means that I am not involved, the other means I murder someone.
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It also invovles that you wouldn't have directly killed someone.


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You haven't chosen to make five die, you've simply chosen not to kill to prevent their deaths. One option means that I am not involved, the other means I murder someone.



How is neglecting to save somebody who could be easily saved any different from killing them yourself, morally?
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By not acting you've chosen that the five will die. Ignoring the situation doesn't change the fact that you could have saved five people and didn't.


Yes, you're right. I have. But they would have died if I wasn't there anyway. The fat man, however, would be killed by a direct cause of me.

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How is neglecting to save somebody who could be easily saved any different from killing them yourself, morally?


"Easily saved". By murdering someone.
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How is neglecting to save somebody who could be easily saved any different from killing them yourself, morally?

>easily saved
>pushing a fat guy

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How is neglecting to save somebody who could be easily saved any different from killing them yourself, morally?


It's different in the fact that the former does not trespass on the definition whatsoever.

If I see a man smoking a don't swat the cigarette out of his mouth and he later dies of lung cancer have I murdered him?
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Old 11-25-2012, 12:39 PM   #38
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The needs of the many outweigh the needs of the few.

EDIT: Except in the case of the fat guy, he outweighs everybody else.

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Old 11-25-2012, 12:40 PM   #39
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>easily saved
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It's different in the fact that the former does not trespass on the definition whatsoever.


Definition of what? I'm asking how neglecting to save somebody is any better than murdering them? So much better in fact that you'd rather neglect to save five people than kill one.
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The needs of the many outweigh the needs of the few.


So if you're in a hospital waiting room and they need a set of organs to save five patients it's acceptable for them to run in and vivisect you for them?

In fact, lets change the original scenario. You're a fat guy - do you jump in front of the train and save everyone or not?

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Definition of what? I'm asking how neglecting to save somebody is any better than murdering them? So much better in fact that you'd rather neglect to save five people than kill one.


People with ADHD are more likely to go on to physically assault and even kill people later in life, should we kill everyone with ADHD?
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