Macabre_Turtle

You're right. I'll do that.

EDIT: I forgot how to add a poll

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Somekid94

Here's another look at it, if you flip the switch, and the authorities get involved, you're on the hook for murder.

Just thought I'd throw that in there.

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strat0blaster

Consider this - if you see the situation, ignore it and decide to do nothing at all, you've just killed six people. If you make a decision either way, you've saved at least some.

If you won't make a decision on the fly because you don't know someone's medical history, blood type, and a viable list of people needing donors for specific organs in the nearby vicinity, there's a real problem here.

And it is one-hundred percent different, because you're adding an extra variable in the donor situation that is ridiculous in pertinence to the basic question that was asked in OP. That's like me saying "Oh, well would you kill the five if you knew that the one was going to put poison in candy fifteen years down the road, and that it was going to be passed out, but depending on how you killed them, it would only affect, potentially, one out of every fifteen people?"

It's useless rationalization geared towards an attempt to feel less guilty, when in fact it's just wasting time, in which your non-action is going to cost ALL of them their lives. And here's the real kicker - people die every day through no fault of your own, so there's not really even a need for you to rationalize your guilt-free mindset, unless you walk around perpetually perturbed that people are, every second, dying.

Save the lives you can when you can, instead of worrying about reading the future, because nobody knows what your actions will trigger; be they derailing a speeding train, or bumping into someone in line at the supermarket. Seeing the right course and ignoring it is cowardly, no matter what the excuse, and if living in a bubble, too idealistically afraid to do anything to aid others is the answer, count me out.

Living life in a constant state of inaction for being too afraid of absolute consequences that can't even be counted on is a terrible way to live.

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whywefight

I haven't done a poll in half a year probably, but I think the buttons on the bottom of the page

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Harvey Swick

yeah its in the bottom left under "Subscribe to this thread"

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FearMyLightning

Is there an option to separate the train and kill all six of them? Don't want to be unfair to the one person.

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Hydra150

you need to chose to add a poll when you first create the thread iirc

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Cloudkicker

Another common psychopath test i learned in abnormal psych is, a woman is at a funeral and meets a sexually attractive man. The next day she murders her family, why did she do it?

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whywefight

So he'd show up again.






No, you can add one later



I'm not totally convinced by strat's argument, but these two paragraphs are brilliant.

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it is possible to add one after making the thread though.

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strat0blaster

She didn't, the sexually attractive man did. He didn't really love her, he was just using her to get close to the people that ruined his family's business - the woman's parents!


Wow, that makes way more sense than my suggestion...

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Todd Hart

Medical data can be looked up in a fraction of a second. Assuming that the person in the waiting room is a match is no different to assuming that the fat person will stop the train.



I have literally no idea what you are talking about here.

And I haven't added any extra variables - I've simply changed the action from pushing a fat guy to dissecting a patient. Both situations require things that have to be assumed, the fat guy has to be enough to stop the train, the patient has to have the right blood type etc.



Again, white noise.

Not saving a persons life is not the same as killing them.



And the right course if you are utilitarian, given the state of our medical system, is to get a donor card and immediately off yourself. You would be saving lives where you can, and ignoring this would be cowardly and hypocritical.

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crazysam23_Atax

I say thought experiments of this nature are FUCKING stupid. Why? Because they're always designed to put you in the position of considering morality in an odd situation, and it's just unrealistic.

Plus, people always act like they're all philosophical and shit for thinking of these examples. I'm sorry, but it's overdone and therefore lame.

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Macabre_Turtle

Thought experiments are unrealistic? How insightful. Thank you.

EDIT: Poll is up. I like to keep as few options as possible, to keep it easier to analyze the data, but the options are enough to cover everybody's opinions.

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Todd Hart

It's done a fantastic job of exposing all of the psychopaths in the pit though.

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necrosis1193

Better question: Who the hell goes to the hospital for athlete's foot?

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boreamor

There's a difference here from "what's morally right" to "what's less morally evil".

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