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It is right to kill the one for the five in both situations, but I could not push the fat man 49 44.55%
It is right to kill the one for the five, and I could push the fat man (psychopath) 41 37.27%
It is not right to kill the one for the five in either situation 20 18.18%
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Old 11-25-2012, 04:34 PM   #161
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What if I think they're all assholes and instead I kill them all?

Then you'd be an asshole, but nobody'd say that to your face
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Old 11-25-2012, 04:37 PM   #162
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Then you'd be an asshole, but nobody'd say that to your face



They'd better not I've got a train!



I think that's actually a far better question than the op though


If you just watched a guy kill six people(or even one person), would you call him an asshole?


I think I would, Like. "Dick move man, Dick move."
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Old 11-25-2012, 04:40 PM   #163
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Old 11-25-2012, 04:51 PM   #164
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I wouldn't do anything. If the five die, it's not by my hand. If I actually throw a guy onto the tracks or pull the lever that dooms only one, I'm killing a person. Either way, there's guilt but I'd take the route that doesn't make me a murderer.
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Old 11-25-2012, 04:51 PM   #165
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Old 11-25-2012, 05:07 PM   #166
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Old 11-25-2012, 06:28 PM   #167
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Well if your religious you believe there is an afterlife and the people on the tracks will go to your respective heaven/hell/rebirth so there's no reason to save or kill either of them as death isn't that bad. if your religion doesn't believe in afterlife see atheist.

edit: they might even be better in the after life.

If your an atheist then the only thing after death is non existence, since everyone is going to die then its logical to say that everyone is going to not exist at all. follow that train of thought and you get to the conclusion that there is no point saving any of them.

That's depressed even me I'm getting something to eat.
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Old 11-25-2012, 06:31 PM   #168
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Well if your religious you believe there is an afterlife and the people on the tracks will go to their respective heaven/hell/rebirth so there's no reason to save or kill either of them as death isn't that bad.

Please, religion does not need to be dragged into this.
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If your an atheist then the only thing after death is non existence, since everyone is going to die then its logical to say that everyone is going to not exist at all. follow that train of thought and you get to the conclusion that there is no point saving any of them.

That's depressed even me I'm getting something to eat.

Doesn't the fact that when they die that it's all over make their lives ever the more precious, that their lives are meaningful rather than meaningless?
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Old 11-25-2012, 06:37 PM   #169
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Please, religion does not need to be dragged into this.

Doesn't the fact that when they die that it's all over make their lives ever the more precious?


religion is one of the biggest things involved in the way people think about death.

depends, you wont remember or be aware of you ever existing, neither will memory of you continue to exist as anyone that remembers you will eventually die and any signs of your existence will disappear into entropy

(btw im not %100 into this idea myself either)
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depends, you wont remember or be aware of you ever existing, neither will memory of you continue to exist as anyone that remembers you will eventually die and any signs of your existence will disappear into entropy


Yup. Get over.

Now stahp with the religious nonsense, it doesn't need to come into this.
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I wouldn't do anything. If the five die, it's not by my hand. If I actually throw a guy onto the tracks or pull the lever that dooms only one, I'm killing a person. Either way, there's guilt but I'd take the route that doesn't make me a murderer.


And I would say letting five people die that you also could have easily saved also makes you a murderer.
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depends, you wont remember or be aware of you ever existing, neither will memory of you continue to exist as anyone that remembers you will eventually die and any signs of your existence will disappear into entropy

(btw im not %100 into this idea myself either)

Yes, but that doesn't mean that your life is worthless. It's all about giving it a meaning for yourself.
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Old 11-25-2012, 06:44 PM   #173
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And I would say letting five people die that you also could have easily saved also makes you a murderer.



No it doesn't. Inaction is not action. It would not be an act of murder, but if it were anything it could be said to be criminal negligence, should one be judged to hold a position of responsibility for the lives in question.

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No it doesn't. Inaction is not action. It would not be an act of murder, but if it were anything it could be said to be criminal negligence, should one be judged to hold a position of responsibility for the lives in question.

Murder is a legal concept primarily.


I'm not talking about the law. I'm talking about morals.
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Even so, it is not an act of murder. to murder someone in this scenario, one would have to have brought about the circumstances required (as opposed to contributory) for their death.

It is not sufficient to say that just because one's inaction in a certain scenario may contribute to the deaths of the 5 that the negligent person is a murderous one, because their inaction would not cause the deaths without the scenario.

Therefore the person who created the scenario is the murderer, and nobody else.

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Well they are. The fact that you think that inaction is equally to affirmative action is clearly not one held by the rest of society or they would be viewed equally in the eyes of the law.
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Even so, it is not an act of murder. to murder someone in this scenario, one would have to have brought about the circumstances required (as opposed to contributory) for their death.

It is not sufficient to say that just because one's inaction in a certain scenario may contribute to the deaths of the 5 that the negligent person is a murderous one, because their inaction would not cause the deaths without the scenario.

Therefore the person who created the scenario is the murderer, and nobody else.


By definition, sure they wouldn't be couldn't murderers. What I mean is, their (moral) crimes are on the same level.

Again, people, I'm not seeing how choosing not to save somebody who can be easily saved doesn't qualify as evil, or how doing that five times over isn't at least as evil as one murder. Explain that. Somebody.
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