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Old 12-03-2012, 03:42 AM   #21
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i am not trying to emulate their tone, i am just looking for ideas to get heavy without as much gain in a live situation. even live they didn't have searing gain, i have seen them at least five times.

thanks for the words, i don't have studio magic

Double mic your cab.
Or run two cabs.
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Old 12-03-2012, 04:55 AM   #22
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Double mic your cab.
Or run two cabs.


i guess i will have to use two cabs. its more fun that way.

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Old 12-03-2012, 06:33 AM   #23
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What I've found works quite well is a touch of pitch shifting mixed into the background. Not a fuzz type octaver but a pitch shifter. I use my Quadraverb. It's so low in the mix that it's hard to hear but it thickens up the sound surprisingly well.


That's a cool trick. Think it'll work with two guitars and a bass playing metal?
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Old 12-03-2012, 07:00 AM   #25
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Old 12-03-2012, 07:25 AM   #26
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Rhythm section, man. The heaviness always lays on the bass and drums combination. If you have a heavy rhythm section, you will sound heavy. Rage Against the Machine is another example of a heavy as hell band, but Tom Morello doesn't use that much gain at all.
Also, listening to early Black Sabbath is like going to school.
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That's a cool trick. Think it'll work with two guitars and a bass playing metal?
Why wouldn't it?
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Old 12-03-2012, 08:31 AM   #28
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Old 12-03-2012, 11:41 AM   #29
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Multitracking is evil black magic. Makes guitars sound artificially ****ing huge, almost regardless of amp.
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Old 12-03-2012, 11:59 AM   #30
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A short delay about 30-40ms with zero feedback & 60-70% of effect level helps at times.
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Old 12-03-2012, 12:42 PM   #31
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Why wouldn't it?


I'm just skeptical as to whether you'd be able to hear the lower register live with a bass in the background and two distorted guitars.
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Old 12-03-2012, 12:46 PM   #32
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What I've found works quite well is a touch of pitch shifting mixed into the background. Not a fuzz type octaver but a pitch shifter. I use my Quadraverb. It's so low in the mix that it's hard to hear but it thickens up the sound surprisingly well.


This is what I would do, when you have the same passage on a lower pitch just behind, it works a matress pushing the higher pitch replicated parts to the front giving you a bigger sound.

Do I wrote it correctly?
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Old 12-03-2012, 05:25 PM   #33
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Matt B & Jon D. were using Krank Revolutions at that time, not sure about the studio recording though.
I always liked their dry, clear, aggressive high gain tone.
I also know that both guitarists, particularily Matt B. have a very heavy handed picking technique too. They really "dig in" to the strings. When you do this with hot pickups like the EMG's they use and set the amps gain to medium - low levels you get a lot of clarity and aggression without having to use lots of preamp gain.
This is how I play and dial in most of my amps.

This band, and album came out around the same time and has that same dry medium gain aggression. The album is Constitution of Treason.
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Old 12-03-2012, 05:47 PM   #34
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none of these songs have heavy guitars. the sabbath made me laugh.

heavy bass + double tracking and layering.

the lead guitars in those shadows fall clips aren't any heavier then early classic metal.

so the answer is that it's not the guitars at all.
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Old 12-03-2012, 07:55 PM   #35
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in seems to me that in the studio bands don't use nearly as much gain as you would think

except maybe bloodbath
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in seems to me that in the studio bands don't use nearly as much gain as you would think

except maybe bloodbath
Yeah you're right.

Also, there is an obvious difference between a heavy guitar sound and a brutal guitar sound.
Classic metal up to thrash and metalcore is heavy. Once you go past those genres the guitars gain/distortion enters the brutal realm.
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Old 12-03-2012, 08:19 PM   #37
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although this may come under the heading of studio magic it can be applied to a live situation as well. EQ. having the guitar and bass adjusted so they compliment each oters tone goes a long way in making riffs sound heavier. someone mentioned classic metal and the SF tune reminded me of just that (except the cookie monster vocals which almost always ruins it for me).
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Old 12-03-2012, 08:26 PM   #38
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you can play some seriously heavy shit on a tele.

^^ couldn't have said it better

^ lol cookie monster
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Old 12-03-2012, 08:33 PM   #39
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that first vid is fun to jam with, i'll try the others now
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although this may come under the heading of studio magic it can be applied to a live situation as well. EQ. having the guitar and bass adjusted so they compliment each oters tone goes a long way in making riffs sound heavier. someone mentioned classic metal and the SF tune reminded me of just that (except the cookie monster vocals which almost always ruins it for me).

Agreed! Bass lines are key.
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