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Old 12-04-2012, 01:46 PM   #41
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What human soul?

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Well, it kinda does if you're accepting that there is a creator. He's the creator, dammit, he does what he wants! But really, I'm just saying that, if it exists, I'd think the human soul would be a piece of God. It's quite simple, really.

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It still doesn't really. If he created something, he's a seperate entity from it. Unless he's like a actor/writer. In which case he is present in the thing he created, but doesn't inhabit anything but his own character.

I'm thinking of it more like this. If there's a creator, then there would have been a time where he and only he exists. He had no materials to build with, only himself.
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Pretty sure that's what Hindus believe... A piece of Brahman is in everyone, and Nirvana is basically the ultimate realization that your "soul" is identical to Brahman. (someone please correct me if I'm wrong - my knowledge of Hinduism is lacking and I don't want to misrepresent anyone's faith).

Yeah, I think you're on the right track.
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Old 12-04-2012, 01:50 PM   #42
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Pretty sure that's what Hindus believe... A piece of Brahman is in everyone, and Nirvana is basically the ultimate realization that your "soul" is identical to Brahman. (someone please correct me if I'm wrong - my knowledge of Hinduism is lacking and I don't want to misrepresent anyone's faith).

OP, you're basically a Hindu.

I think you're right if i'm remembering. The whole of humanity combines to form God. God is the collective humanity.
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Old 12-04-2012, 01:58 PM   #43
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You just described biological processes (even money as power), which have very little to do with "being your own god". That's just... being driven by physiological needs.


Isn't taking care of one's physiological needs akin to satisfying one's god? I am speaking of god as being a master, with god's subjects being the servants. So, in this way, you are your own servant, and you will punish yourself if you don't fulfill your needs, e.g. you will die of hunger or thirst, or you will die due to a lack of oxygen.
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Old 12-04-2012, 01:59 PM   #44
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Isn't taking care of one's physiological needs akin to satisfying one's god? I am speaking of god as being a master, with god's subjects being the servants. So, in this way, you are your own servant, and you will punish yourself if you don't fulfill your needs, e.g. you will die of hunger or thirst, or you will die due to lack of oxygen.


No, you've just redefined the word god to mean physiological needs.
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Isn't taking care of one's physiological needs akin to satisfying one's god? I am speaking of god as being a master, with god's subjects being the servants. So, in this way, you are your own servant, and you will punish yourself if you don't fulfill your needs, e.g. you will die of hunger or thirst, or you will die due to a lack of oxygen.

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If God is in humans, then he's severely broken and also trespassing/possibly sexually harassing us.


The only thing that makes us special is our sentience, which the majority has wasted not worrying and loving the bomb, so if there is a "higher power" then there'll be a special place reserved in hell for humans. But no, on the whole, I don't think we have a divine spark or soul etc.
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No, you've just redefined the word god to mean physiological needs.


Yes.

Unless there is a standardized god that I am not aware of.
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If God is in humans, then he's severely broken and also trespassing/possibly sexually harassing us.

Pretty much this.

So, whenever I'm naked and looking in the mirror, God can also see me naked?

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Yes.

Unless there is a standardized god that I am not aware of.


Well there is, yes. God is a term used to describe a metaphysical entity that bears relation with humanity/the universe. If you're going to change it to mean human physiological need then you're just bastardizing the word.
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But there's an idea that when you create something, part of you goes into it. Not like literally. But so you write a novel. Your thoughts and feelings go into it. So your ideas are living in that book.

Yeah there's that, but that's no physical manifestation (which I thought was the point of the thread). Also, I'm sure we could both name any number of novelists who fail to portray their own character in their books.

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Well there is, yes. God is a term used to describe a metaphysical entity that bears relation with humanity/the universe. If you're going to change it to mean human physiological need then you're just bastardizing the word.


But, what about the Greek/Roman/Shinto gods? Some of them got into some naughty stuff, making humans suffer for not pandering to them. Isn't that similar to having to cater to one's physiological needs?
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But, what about the Greek/Roman/Shinto gods? Some of them got into some naughty stuff, making humans suffer for not pandering to them. Isn't that similar to having to cater to one's physiological needs?


No. Not in the slightest. And even if it were that would mean that word god can be used as a synonym for human needs.
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No. Not in the slightest. And even if it were that would mean that word god can be used as a synonym for human needs.


I haven't thought through this very properly, then. My apologies.
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Well there is, yes. God is a term used to describe a metaphysical entity that bears relation with humanity/the universe. If you're going to change it to mean human physiological need then you're just bastardizing the word.


but like, what if God is me man. i could see eGraham naked.
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but like, what if God is me man


but then who was phone?
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i was raised catholic and under the impression this was almost a universal in religions whether abrahamic or not. maybe not some protestant stuff. but matthew 25 sticks out:

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34 “Then the King will say to those on his right, ‘Come, you who are blessed by my Father; take your inheritance, the kingdom prepared for you since the creation of the world. 35 For I was hungry and you gave me something to eat, I was thirsty and you gave me something to drink, I was a stranger and you invited me in, 36 I needed clothes and you clothed me, I was sick and you looked after me, I was in prison and you came to visit me.’

37 “Then the righteous will answer him, ‘Lord, when did we see you hungry and feed you, or thirsty and give you something to drink? 38 When did we see you a stranger and invite you in, or needing clothes and clothe you? 39 When did we see you sick or in prison and go to visit you?’

40 “The King will reply, ‘Truly I tell you, whatever you did for one of the least of these brothers and sisters of mine, you did for me.’

41 “Then he will say to those on his left, ‘Depart from me, you who are cursed, into the eternal fire prepared for the devil and his angels. 42 For I was hungry and you gave me nothing to eat, I was thirsty and you gave me nothing to drink, 43 I was a stranger and you did not invite me in, I needed clothes and you did not clothe me, I was sick and in prison and you did not look after me.’

44 “They also will answer, ‘Lord, when did we see you hungry or thirsty or a stranger or needing clothes or sick or in prison, and did not help you?’

45 “He will reply, ‘Truly I tell you, whatever you did not do for one of the least of these, you did not do for me.’

46 “Then they will go away to eternal punishment, but the righteous to eternal life.”


obviously, i guess you can interpret it saying god just wants people to look out for the poor and disadvantaged. but i've seen it presented as god is in every person and so what we do to them, we do to god. in other words, the thing that separates us from animals is our superior intellect. intellect is that spark of divinity. i can't remember which theologian/philosopher had a good argument about this. probably aquinas. i used to have some pretty profound shit with which to expound upon this, but i forgot. i've retired from talking all this anyway. at least on UG.
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Or the idea that an author lives on through his work?


Or in his work, like Vonnegut.
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So, whenever I'm naked and looking in the mirror, God can also see me naked?




OT: We are not special, and destiny, gods, souls or afterlife do not exist. This can be said as fact because there's no proof of any of those things.
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OT: We are not special, and destiny, gods, souls or afterlife do not exist. This can be said as fact because there's no proof of any of those things.

Yes we are and it'd be ridiculous to say otherwise.

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Yes we are and it'd be ridiculous to say otherwise.

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