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Old 12-04-2012, 02:59 PM   #81
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Animal's kill members of their own species quite frequently. A group of pigs will straight up devour their farmer if he falls in the pin during feeding time. And then there's always this.


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Old 12-04-2012, 02:59 PM   #82
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Old 12-04-2012, 02:59 PM   #83
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Yeah, but they don't do it for religious reasons.
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Old 12-04-2012, 03:00 PM   #84
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Yeah, but they don't do it for religious reasons.

What if, to the pigs, the farmer is some enemy faction leader and they attempt to kill him on sight, but only when numbers favor them?
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Old 12-04-2012, 03:04 PM   #85
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Yeah, but they don't do it for religious reasons.

I wouldn't think the reasons for doing something made the act itself any better or worse. That's pretty weak. Killing is killing, whether you did it because your victim believes in a different God or because he shops at Sears instead of Target.
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Old 12-04-2012, 03:07 PM   #86
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I wouldn't think the reasons for doing something made the act itself any better or worse. That's pretty weak. Killing is killing, whether you did it because your victim believes in a different God or because he shops at Sears instead of Target.

No it's not, and I can't think of a developed nation who's laws reflect that.

Manslaughter, self-defence, cannibalism as a result of starvation...
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Old 12-04-2012, 03:07 PM   #87
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You don't know that.


You've clearly never spoken to a pig.

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What if, to the pigs, the farmer is some enemy faction leader and they attempt to kill him on sight, but only when numbers favor them?


Well the farmer is going to kill them all.

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I wouldn't think the reasons for doing something made the act itself any better or worse. That's pretty weak. Killing is killing, whether you did it because your victim believes in a different God or because he shops at Sears instead of Target.


What nonsense, of course the motive effects the morality of the act. If I murder someone for shopping at Sears then I'm a monster, if I murder him because he just made me watch as he raped and gutted by 2 year old daughter I'm clearly more validated in my action.
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Old 12-04-2012, 03:10 PM   #88
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I think we could all be part of the same consciousness, it's the theory that makes the most sense to me. I mean we're all made of exactly the same thing.
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Old 12-04-2012, 03:12 PM   #89
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You've clearly never spoken to a pig.
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Old 12-04-2012, 03:14 PM   #90
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I think what needs to be taken away from all of this is **** you if you don't like Kurt Vonnegut. Mother Night is an awesome book.
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Old 12-04-2012, 03:20 PM   #91
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My view on the universe is pantheism, so yes, I agree with that statement very much so. It also is part of the reason why I am a Taoist; the Tao is part of all things and the Tao comes from nature. Therefore, we are part of the Tao and nature, which are "god."
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Old 12-04-2012, 03:29 PM   #92
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Just saying, you don't see many pigs slaughtering one another over the colour of their skin, or over the contents of a book.



But they will eat each other simply because they are hungry or kill each other over food or territory, so I'm not sure that the motivations are particularly relevant to the end result?
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By no means, in fact I said in the OP that I didn't agree with the statement. Someone else I met said it.
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Maybe they're the same? And the universe is tied together.
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Old 12-04-2012, 04:17 PM   #96
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He can be in you, too.

You just have to invite him in.

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Old 12-04-2012, 04:31 PM   #97
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Maybe they're the same? And the universe is tied together.

And maybe leprechauns and gnomes are the same as well
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Old 12-04-2012, 04:38 PM   #98
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no, because humans in general are pieces of shit. i believe that when it comes to the soul or afterlife it's either all beings or none of them.
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no, because humans in general are pieces of shit.

I'm not holding this against you or anything, but it only makes sense to give people in general a chance. You're a human too, you wouldn't want everyone to see you as a piece of shit.
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Humanity is special above all other animals due to our intelligent thought process and emotions. So yes, humanity is special, but not from a divine creator.


I wouldn't even consider us to be all that special when compaired to other animals. Yes, our intelligence is obviously superior to other species but there are so many apparently 'human' traits that we are now discovering are shared with members of other species, it's becoming quite obvious that we are not as special as we once thought we were.

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Just saying, you don't see many pigs slaughtering one another over the colour of their skin, or over the contents of a book.

Actualy, pigs are very territorial and have a drive to be dominant. Any pig that is considered as an outsider by a family group of pigs will often be attacked and even killed, so it can be considered that pigs are naturaly discriminatory against other pigs.
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