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Old 12-09-2012, 05:34 AM   #1
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500-600$ (used) tube head ?

Hey, which amp would You recommend (including used) ?
Like in topic, I have to spent 500-600 bucks for full tube head.
I need it for practicing at home (I ll make 1:12 power Powerbrake, so can be a bit louder) and small concerts.
The music I use to play is kind alternative rock (instrumental Pink Floyd), classic 80/90s metal (Metallica), and from time to time some high gain modern rock.
About clean. I wish it would be dark and deep like bass (opposite Fender glass clean?).

So back to question, which amp You think Would be ok for me ?

*What You think about Jet City JCA100H or Bugera 6262 maybe ?
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Old 12-09-2012, 05:44 AM   #2
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JCA100 might work, it's 'clean' channel might not suit you though.
Forget about Bugera if you want something reliable.
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Old 12-09-2012, 05:52 AM   #3
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Well, maybe some other amp sugestions then ?
It doesnt have to be only bugera vs jet city.
Tbh i ve never heard live either jca100h or bugera.

*About Bugera reliable i heard that after 2008 fabric correct, they work just fine.

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Old 12-09-2012, 06:05 AM   #4
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They may not catch fire anymore but they are still a Behringer. If you are gonna be carting it around do you really want a Behringer? Really? What a slogan, huh? "They don't catch fire any more." Now that really inspires confidence.
The JCA would do a fine job.
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Old 12-09-2012, 06:32 AM   #5
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Well Bugera is a lot cheaper so I could get it new for less then 500$ with 2 years guarantee in my home city.

JCA seems to sound ok for me but I hate that kind "fake's" (I love Soldano's). That's why i have so much doubt.
Is there any diffrence in sound quality between JCA100H and JCA50H or JCA20H ?
Or it's just power ?
I can get for now used JCA100H with new JJ tubes for 580$, or brand new JCA50H for 650$.

I wish it would be available in my country, to check live it.

Some more amps would be fine for me ?
(Readed a lot good about B-52 AT100, I see I can get used one for 600$ too)
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Old 12-09-2012, 06:53 AM   #6
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What about some brands like Blackstar, Hayden, Marshall, Hughes and Kettner who all have that 'British' clean sound to them. If you want to keep it American then Peavey or Egnater?
Each of those will have an appropriate amp in your price range that should cover the sort of sound you're looking for
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Old 12-09-2012, 07:10 AM   #7
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You have a Bugera as your second option and complain about the JCA being 'fake'?
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Old 12-09-2012, 07:22 AM   #8
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Correct me if I'm wrong, but Behringer changed name to Bugera (Behringer = Bugera), Soldano amplication didn't changed name to Jet City (two diffrent comapny) but they calling themself "like Soldano" because of designer, if that's what You mean.

Well I'm not sure about finding good sound Marshall for up to 600$ (i don't call MG series good sounded).
Have no idea about H&K or Hayden amps, any special type You have on mind ?

*With 600$ i think i Can get only Peavey Valveking head, but it's not suits to me.

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Old 12-09-2012, 07:30 AM   #9
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Like Barnesybaby said, you should check into the egnaters. I own the tweaker 40 and you got plenty clean headroom on tap and you can voice it american or british. And with the right overdrive you can easily go into metal territory.

Cathbard is the amp expert around here, i'm curious to hear what he thinks about egnater's reliability?

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Old 12-09-2012, 07:50 AM   #10
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It's not about the name, it's that Bugera just does copies of popular amps.
The 6262 is basically a Peavey 6505+, just built cheaper.
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Old 12-09-2012, 08:16 AM   #11
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Yeah, but Bugera havn't called it "Just like Peavey 6505", user's said that.
My point is Jet City is building his mark on "Designed by Soldano" quote, what we can see on all their amps, that slogan for me - sounds cheap and makes their amps fake.
But I'm not saying that they're doing bad fake's amps (only they could change that awfull toy 333 mark), looks like "amp for users age 2-5".

Egnaters tbh i havn't ever heard about that mark, but i' ll check it, any special type You have on mind that i can get for up to 600$ ?
* But they' re not too popular in my country so can be problem with getting one (i won't risk buying on ebay used amp which i can't check first if it's working good).

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Old 12-09-2012, 08:44 AM   #12
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The Egnater Tweaker 40 head is 600$ in canada. I don't know how much in your country though.
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Old 12-09-2012, 09:22 AM   #13
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Like Barnesybaby said, you should check into the egnaters. I own the tweaker 40 and you got plenty clean headroom on tap and you can voice it american or british. And with the right overdrive you can easily go into metal territory.

Cathbard is the amp expert around here, i'm curious to hear what he thinks about egnater's reliability?

I haven't had a chance to poke around inside one yet. However, I have noticed a lot of pros in TV showbands using them and that has to say something regarding their reliability.




You think Jet City are fake because they are "Designed by Soldano"? And your alternative is Bugera? Cheap Behringer clones are less fake? Did you actually think that through?
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Old 12-09-2012, 10:02 AM   #14
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Well stricte, We have no idea if Bugera are fake's, we just think that way, maybe that similar sounds is just "coincidence".
With Jet City we have sure, they're just saying that they're Soldano's fake's, and trying to use it as marketing catch "Soldano designed it, they must be good".

Someone who havn't heard 6262 have no idea that it can be fake of 5150 (he might say "hm it sounds similar to 5150" and at least only perhaps it's fake), on JCA100H You don't have even to hear it, to know that it's Soldano fake (mark Jet City but Soldano designed it, sounds similar to Soldano SLO100 - seems more fake).

To make clear : I'm not telling anything bad about quality of Jet City, only about that marketing catch which makes them oficial Soldano's fake's.
I m more sensible on that kind marks, which seems to try selling stuff by "famous recomendation".
But ofc i won't resign of it becouse of that, for now probably i will take Jet City anyway, otherwise You have some more proposals ?

*Anyone have idea if there would be any quality diffrence between JCA100H and JCA50H or 20H or it's just power ?
(i think 100w is too much for me I would never use half of this power, so if it's same i would more try 50 I think).
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They are blatant clones. Don't be ridiculous.
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Old 12-09-2012, 10:18 AM   #16
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Ok, they're clones.
Let's back to topic if we can.
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Old 12-09-2012, 10:21 AM   #17
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JCA seems to sound ok for me but I hate that kind "fake's" (I love Soldano's). That's why i have so much doubt.


wait... hang on a minute. You have a problem with jet cities, which actually are officially sanctioned, designed by mike soldano, cheaper versions of the "real thing", and have no problem with bugera, which are unofficially reverse-engineered rip offs?

I mean, personally I have no massive problem with what bugera is doing (if they didn't go on fire and were more reliable), but considering you seem to have a problem with it, that doesn't make any kind of logical sense. at all.

What you're saying is, "I'm not gonna buy this amp because it looks like a fake, so instead I'm gonna buy this other amp which IS a fake."

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Old 12-09-2012, 10:30 AM   #18
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Yeah. I have no problem with clones whatsoever, I make clones myself, but that was the most bizarre thing I've read for quite some time. Some clones are better than the real thing. The primary point was that they are clones made by Behringer, not that they are clones. Behringer set the standard for "cheap and nasty." They are the "cheap and nasty" against which all other "cheap and nasty" is judged.
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Old 12-09-2012, 10:31 AM   #19
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I ll quote from my previous post :
"I'm more sensible on that kind marks, which seems to try selling stuff by "famous recomendation".
But ofc i won't resign of it becouse of that, for now probably i will take Jet City anyway (...)"

And i just discovered that half of my fav settings on my POD X3 Live are based on 1993 Solo 100 Head which is simulation of SLO100, so probably if it's good fake I will be satisfacted with JCA100 !

And back to my last question :
*Anyone have idea if there would be any sound diffrence between JCA100H and JCA50H or 20H or it's just power ?
(i think 100w is too much for me I would never use half of this power, so if it's same i would try 50 I think).
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