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Old 12-11-2012, 02:33 PM   #1
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Hi. This is my little discussion on Gibson, feel free to join.
I have been rather annoyed with Gibson wiping out every other company making a classic shaped V/Explorer with a Lawsuit, however when Dean build guitars in their shape with THEIR original Futura headstock design, they turn a blind eye.
Why am I annoyed by this?
I love the Explorer and Flying V shapes but do not trust Dean from what I have heard on here.
Why not buy Gibson or Epiphone?
Because their designs and specs do not appeal to me, yet I like discontinued (Lawsuit) guitars such as ESP explorers.

I hope there is someone who agrees with me, feel free to add your opinion.
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Old 12-11-2012, 03:04 PM   #2
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So you don't like the original Explorer/V design, but you like the lawsuit copies which are the same design with a different name on the headstock?

Where's the point?
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Old 12-11-2012, 03:06 PM   #3
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Companies have to chase up any copyright infringement. If they don't, even a single case, they lose the rights to that subject. That's simply how copyright law works, in all sectors and in virtually every country.

It's not up to a company like Gibson to say "oh, these guys are just a small company, we'll let them off". If they knowingly let one company infringe on their property, every company can start doing it. Same for Fender, PRS, ESP, Ibanez, Carvin, Mayones, Dean... hell, Agile, Tokai, literally any and every company. If you want to maintain rights to your property then you have to take action against anyone that unlawfully uses it.

As far as the Futura headstock and Dean go, the headstocks are sufficiently different. Same reason ESP can make EC guitars and why there's a million companies making Strat-like guitars without being sued by Fender. If you change the design enough, it can be considered a whole new thing.

In fact the ESP Eclipse guitars ar a perfect example. There are models that are just different enough for them to make and sell in Japan, but not in Europe or North America and Canada. Then there are others which are changed a little more again to be sold in the EU, but still not America. Then there ar a whole bunch more of ECs which are changed yet again, so they can be sold in America without infringing on Gibson's patents. Hence, Japan has ECs with full thickness bodies, trapezoid inlays and four controls while America can't get all three features in one.
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Old 12-11-2012, 03:07 PM   #4
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Business is business. If Gibson let other companies copy their designs their business will never last.

Deans designs are unique enough to be seen as original.

Making a guitar unique can be as simple as adjusting a few angels a little.

But guitars like you want do exist. You just need to look for longer.

Flying V - Schecter, DBZ, boutique brands, hammer.

Explorer - Ibanez, Epiphone prophercy and artist signatures, Hammer, boutique brands.
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Old 12-11-2012, 03:26 PM   #5
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Old 12-11-2012, 03:29 PM   #6
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So you don't like the original Explorer/V design, but you like the lawsuit copies which are the same design with a different name on the headstock?

Where's the point?


*Facepalm* xD
I love the original design and the lawsuit copies. I'm annoyed at the way Gibson go and lawsuit but when Dean use Gibson's patented design, they turn a blind eye.

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Business is business. If Gibson let other companies copy their designs their business will never last.

Deans designs are unique enough to be seen as original.

Making a guitar unique can be as simple as adjusting a few angels a little.

But guitars like you want do exist. You just need to look for longer.

Flying V - Schecter, DBZ, boutique brands, hammer.

Explorer - Ibanez, Epiphone prophercy and artist signatures, Hammer, boutique brands.


Flying V - DBZ aren't making the original shape and Hamer shut down
Explorer - Didn't Ibanez discontinue the Destroyer? (As I said, Epiphone don't appeal to me) and as I said about Hamer before. Kaput.
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Old 12-11-2012, 03:33 PM   #7
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*Facepalm* xD
I love the original design and the lawsuit copies. I'm annoyed at the way Gibson go and lawsuit but when Dean use Gibson's patented design, they turn a blind eye.


The point is; Its not a patented design otherwise they'd take them to court straight away. It's about protecting intellectual property. The Dean design is different enough due to headstock etc to be considered unique.

Why would Gibson turn a blind eye to Dean?
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Old 12-11-2012, 03:35 PM   #8
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Meaning?...


Meaning you asked a question that wasn't properly researched as the answer is quite obvious.

There's no conspiracy. The company that invented the design need to protect their design or they'll lose the rights to it and eventually lose their brand recognition for said designs.
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Old 12-11-2012, 03:38 PM   #9
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The point is; Its not a patented design otherwise they'd take them to court straight away. It's about protecting intellectual property. The Dean design is different enough due to headstock etc to be considered unique.

Why would Gibson turn a blind eye to Dean?


I have no idea. Here's the patent.
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikiped...orer_patent.png

And I was asking what the meaning of "/thread" was.
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Old 12-11-2012, 03:40 PM   #10
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*Facepalm* xD
I love the original design and the lawsuit copies. I'm annoyed at the way Gibson go and lawsuit but when Dean use Gibson's patented design, they turn a blind eye.

If somebody made money off what you designed yourself, you would sue them too.

Also, the reason Gibson doesn't sue Dean is because the headstock design isn't the same.
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And I was asking what the meaning of "/thread" was.

It means that the thread topic is over because you have your answer.
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Old 12-11-2012, 03:41 PM   #11
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I have no idea. Here's the patent.


And I was asking what the meaning of "/thread" was.


That's a Futura not an Explorer
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Old 12-11-2012, 03:42 PM   #12
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I have no idea. Here's the patent.


And I was asking what the meaning of "/thread" was.


Ah lol. It means I thought that the thread was won.

It's a memetic type thing related to html. /win /thread etc. The backslash represents... erm.. The end of something... When you enter italics or bold or a table into code and you end the current command you use a backslash.

The easiest way to get it is probably to learn html lol.
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Old 12-11-2012, 03:42 PM   #13
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If somebody made money off what you designed yourself, you would sue them too.

Also, the reason Gibson doesn't sue Dean is because the headstock design isn't the same.


Okay, that's true. Tbf this thread wasn't really about criticising Gibson as some may have interpreted. It was just me getting annoyed. Happens a lot because I'm an Aspie.
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Okay, that's true. Tbf this thread wasn't really about criticising Gibson as some may have interpreted. It was just me getting annoyed. Happens a lot because I'm an Aspie.

The title of the thread makes that clear.
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Okay, that's true. Tbf this thread wasn't really about criticising Gibson as some may have interpreted. It was just me getting annoyed. Happens a lot because I'm an Aspie.


My turn. What's an Aspie? Something to do with Aspen? And why would that make you annoyed?
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Old 12-11-2012, 04:22 PM   #16
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My turn. What's an Aspie? Something to do with Aspen? And why would that make you annoyed?

Aspie is a nick-name for people with Asperger's Syndrome (EG: Me). It's a form of Autism, look it up on the interwebz.
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Aspie is a nick-name for people with Asperger's Syndrome (EG: Me). It's a form of Autism, look it up on the interwebz.


Ah Ok. I'm aware of Aspergers Syndrome.

I thought maybe it had something to do with a guitar company based near Aspen... /doh. My mistake lol, sorry.
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I forsee this thread being closed in the near future... For some odd reason..

Anyhow, Why not buy Gibson or Epiphone?

Because there's variety and each company making a V model does it differntly, differnt strokes for different folks.
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I forsee this thread being closed in the near future... For some odd reason..

Anyhow, Why not buy Gibson or Epiphone?

Because there's variety and each company making a V model does it differntly, differnt strokes for different folks.


People generally hate the man. If it's deserved and often it is then fine, but Fender and Gibson have given people the ability to create some of the greatest works of art known to man. They haven't done anything that bad to be regarded in such a way when compared to many other companies. Plus a large amount of their products are made in America where you have better labour conditions. I can't speak for their Mexican made or Squier or Epiphone affiliated products. I'm not naive enough to think they get paid the same and if not, improvements should be made.

Leo Fender and Lester Paul are two people I admire(d) greatly. Sure, the crazy people who run the company do some weird stuff sometimes (LP SG?) but again, the quality of these products are up there with some of the best.

You play a US Standard or a LP Standard/Traditional and it just screams quality. Are they over priced? Possibly. But you're owning a price of history in a way. You can get products similar cheaper, but they ain't the same. Maybe it doesn't justify the price difference but that's subjective.

My LP is the best guitar I've played. Ever. I played Standards, Traditional Pros, PRS, and that one was the best. It was cheaper after I haggled and it was totally worth the money.

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Gibsons are expensive guitars, but i really like them because they build their guitars in a way that is very faithful to traditional construction methods and to me, that is an appeal. Each guitar is truly unique and when you find the one that you really like, you just cannot beat them.
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